windae cleaner 4,004 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 It's gone, it's totally gone. It's over. When the people in power realise this we can move on. Until then we will continue with this slow, steady, systematic decline. The people in power can halt it, when they decide to is their choice. On behalf of the football club I hope they make the inevitable and obvious decision. Only ONE person is stopping this i am led to believe 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lex 2,604 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Only ONE person is stopping this i am led to believe Who? And more importantly, why? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alanb 380 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Only ONE person is stopping this i am led to believe Name names...initials will do...suspect finances will dictate any decision though 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windae cleaner 4,004 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Who? And more importantly, why? It's money what else. It will cost money to get rid and not just Danny It will cost to bring someone in. It's a gamble they are playing which has worked since we have been in the SPL. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
car-d bud 345 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 I would give Danny until after the Aberdeen game to turn it around. I have big reservations that the players have the ability to do this,as well as the manager. It really looked today some players were not that bothered at being behind. the bigger issue for me is WHO would be brought in to replace him and keep us safe. Paul Hartley?- no thanks,another Lennon,McPherson,coughlin no experience appointment. Kenny Shiels,?- would likely spend more time in the stand than in the dugout. Jim Jeffries- please god no. Craig Levein- FFS.............. Alex McLeish- been out of football a while,could see it as way of dipping back into the game Steve Kean? - no better than Danny IMO It would be easy to make a knee jerk appointment which could easily backfire,crucial the board get the right man 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lanarkshire_Bud 658 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Hibs away and Aberdeen and I can't see us winning either, then the crunch game where Hearts could potentially catch us. Interesting few weeks ahead. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
exiledfan 891 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 I can't help but feel we have lost a good opportunity during the international break to let someone get their feet under the table. If Danny goes now we will likely have a caretaker for Hibs which now is a MUST win game. Paul Sturrock would be my choice till the end if the season. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lanarkshire_Bud 658 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Anyone care to take a guess at what game Danny is talking about here? "Another great game between the two teams, good football and we got a lot of our own identity back." "There were a lot of signs of us being expansive, dominating a lot of posession, getting a lot of entries into their box" "There was a lot of stuff there that was very good to watch" The man has lost the plot, if you didn't believe it before, you will now. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses 1,273 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Do we even know how many games he has to save his job? Last week there were rumours of just the Motherwell game, others saying the next 4 games. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Callum Gilhooley 10,016 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Danny , just read your after match comments. You really need to give up the drugs, or massively increase them !! You are delusional Danny. Thank you for March 17th, but its time to go. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lex 2,604 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Perhaps the most concerning stat of all today is the home support. It was down 855 from the Thistle game a fortnight ago. That's an astonishing drop of 21%. That means the club is thousands of pounds out of pocket due to lack of support. Those people who said they wouldn't be back till Lennon goes really are voting with their feet, and its hitting the football club square in the finances. How much longer? How many more thousands will he cost the club? Up to you BoD. Edited September 14, 2013 by Lex 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Is The Man 741 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Well outwith our budget but perhaps with him looking to boost his reputation again maybe, just maybe, would love Craig Levein. His record with Dundee Utd is undoubted. Back to basics and experienced. Think hes a perfect match tactically he doesn't play with strikers and we don't have any. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank McGarvey' wonky legs 1,051 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 I would give Danny until after the Aberdeen game to turn it around. I have big reservations that the players have the ability to do this,as well as the manager. It really looked today some players were not that bothered at being behind. the bigger issue for me is WHO would be brought in to replace him and keep us safe. Paul Hartley?- no thanks,another Lennon,McPherson,coughlin no experience appointment. Kenny Shiels,?- would likely spend more time in the stand than in the dugout. Jim Jeffries- please god no. Craig Levein- FFS.............. Alex McLeish- been out of football a while,could see it as way of dipping back into the game Steve Kean? - no better than Danny IMO It would be easy to make a knee jerk appointment which could easily backfire,crucial the board get the right man It was suggested to me that McLeish was in the frame if there was to be a change in manager. Would be happy with that or Levein. Hopefully they will both want back into football and money wouldn't be an issue. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMBB 24 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Peter Houston waiting in the wings for this job if it is to become available.. FACT Whether Gilmour thinks he is the man for the job is another question though. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lanarkshire_Bud 658 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 I have been told he has until the Aberdeen game to show signs of "significant improvement". That looks unlikely. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windae cleaner 4,004 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 It was suggested to me that McLeish was in the frame if there was to be a change in manager. Would be happy with that or Levein. Hopefully they will both want back into football and money wouldn't be an issue. They would still outwith our budget and same with Peter Houston. I don't see us going for Bagpuss or Hartley as they are still with clubs 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WirralSaint 799 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Internet/TV/Radio/Newpapers all demand more and more comment of managers and it can't be easy not to arse things up now and then but Danny hasn't helped himself with nonsense quotes to the media. "We've asked for every ounce of effort our players have so that if the do that at training on a daily basis, it will become a habit and they won’t drop these standards in matches." Really? Have we really seen that attitude so far this season? "As coaches, we sat down at the end of the season and went through everything with a fine toothcomb. We worked out what changes have to be made and will be looking to implement them this season." Really? And having identified what was required addressed it in the side we have currently? "He's the one we've been waiting for but I believe he's been worth the wait." Really? Had he really even heard of him 2 weeks before signing him? I guess we'll have to wait and see if he was indeed worth the wait. If he has the players then button it and go to Fergie mode...no comments...me and my players against the rest. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilPar72 1,171 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Perhaps the most concerning stat of all today is the home support. It was down 855 from the Thistle game a fortnight ago. That's an astonishing drop of 21%. That means the club is thousands of pounds out of pocket due to lack of support. Those people who said they wouldn't be back till Lennon goes really are voting with their feet, and its hitting the football club square in the finances. How much longer? How many more thousands will he cost the club? Up to you BoD. A nonsense comparison. There were more home fans today than for the same game last season. Motherwell- 956 Motherwell fans, 3067 Saints fans (total gate 4023) Today...4012 total, 879 away, 3133 home Just saying. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lex 2,604 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 A nonsense comparison. There were more home fans today than for the same game last season. Motherwell- 956 Motherwell fans, 3067 Saints fans (total gate 4023) Today...4012 total, 879 away, 3133 home Just saying. Surely a comparison from 2 weeks ago is more relevant than a comparison from a year ago?! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilPar72 1,171 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Surely a comparison from 2 weeks ago is more relevant than a comparison from a year ago?! Debatable Don't remember reading you posting at the time of the Thistle game how great the percentage increase was. Perhaps because that didn't suit your agenda? A big crowd was always to be expected against Thistle, 2 local-ish teams, a fresh match the fans hadn't seen in a while. To compare that against the now mundane home game against the likes of Motherwell, Killie, Aberdeen is unfair. Surely fairer to compare like for like? Motherwell 2012 vs Motherwell today? (Although last years game was at Christmas) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lex 2,604 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Debatable Don't remember reading you posting at the time of the Thistle game how great the percentage increase was. Perhaps because that didn't suit your agenda? A big crowd was always to be expected against Thistle, 2 local-ish teams, a fresh match the fans hadn't seen in a while. To compare that against the now mundane home game against the likes of Motherwell, Killie, Aberdeen is unfair. Surely fairer to compare like for like? Motherwell 2012 vs Motherwell today? (Although last years game was at Christmas) I love the way you use brackets to argue against your own point at the end. That was a Friday night before Christmas when several fans had their works night out, to compare that with today is pretty ridiculous for several reasons. A 21% drop in attendances from one Saturday afternoon home game to another would alarm any board of directors, i'd suspect ours will be no different. Since you want to compare 'mundane home games against the likes of Motherwell and Killie' perhaps you can explain this... Home gate against Killie 4 weeks ago: 3532 Home gate today: 3133 A drop of nearly 15%. What do you think is going on? Is the declining attendances completely unrelated to the shambolic on park performance? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilPar72 1,171 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 You wouldn't be turning the tables to suit your agenda now would you, Neil? I was simply trying to point out that Lex's statement of 21% of Saints fans voting with their feet was flawed. What agenda do you think I'm promoting? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilPar72 1,171 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 I love the way you use brackets to argue against your own point at the end. That was a Friday night before Christmas when several fans had their works night out, to compare that with today is pretty ridiculous for several reasons. A 21% drop in attendances from one Saturday afternoon home game to another would alarm any board of directors, i'd suspect ours will be no different. Since you want to compare 'mundane home games against the likes of Motherwell and Killie' perhaps you can explain this... Home gate against Killie 4 weeks ago: 3532 Home gate today: 3133 A drop of nearly 15%. What do you think is going on? Is the declining attendances completely unrelated to the shambolic on park performance? I used brackets because I was acknowledging that the stat's are flawed. Something you didn't do when you made the statement about 21% of fans voting with their feet. I cant explain it. Looking at last seasons thread, we have a core of 2800-3000 fans. The rest of the crowd fluctuates on a game to game basis. Why did so many more fans turn out for the Partick game? Why last season did we lose 600 fans between the Hibs and Hearts matches? Hibernian August 18th - 959 Hibs fans, 4080 Saints fans (total gate 5039) Hearts September 15th - 829 Hearts fans, 3478 Saints fans (total gate 4307) I have no idea. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilPar72 1,171 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 No need to feel I was having a "go" as I wasn't. I was just trying to point how, yet again, when someone makes a point that the "in crowd" don't like or approve of, they are accused of being "trolls"/"aliases"/"twisting facts to suit their agenda" but when the "in crowd" spin facts to suit their agenda or try to derail other's thoughts and opinions they think that's ok and can't see that basically they are doing exactly the same thing. You and all the others that quote facts, statistics and percentages could open up a thread and discuss those things until your dying days but basically all you will be doing is the same as each other but at opposite ends of the spectrum. No problem. Now I just need to figure out whether youve got me as part of the "in crowd" or "trolls"/"aliases"/"twisting facts to suit their agenda"! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Urquhart 1,606 Report post Posted September 14, 2013 Jeeezo, just been reading this thread after finally getting home from match. Danny's interview on BBC is deluded. He looks ill. I take no pleasure from it but best for all if a clean break is made now, sorry. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
