AllyM Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 there will always be scope for a good greet. Very true. I think folk tend to forget, also, that young players mature. I have high hopes for at least a couple of our new additions from the U20s. Imagine the seething and greetin on here if exactly 12 months ago the club announced that they were going to go with Kelly and Naismith as first choice full backs for the coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 You really think Hamilton are going to be a bigger threat to us next year than Hibs would have been? Hamilton have always posed us problems , for as far back as I can remember. They have decent SPL record against us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Hamilton have always posed us problems , for as far back as I can remember. They have decent SPL record against us ! Different players, under a different manager. Not the same team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I think ICT will struggle this season, and look out for a slip in St Johnstone's fortunes, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Indeed. Dundee fans are wetting their knickers at signing two totally unknown German players, one of whom played in the German fifth tier. We signed someone from the English fifth tier and he was immediately classed as "shite" and a "cost cutting exercise". I'd much rather blood players like Brown, Hughes and Williams, that know the club inside out, rather than spend thousands on unknown quantities. I think all three will make a significant contribution, if called upon, when the season starts. Yes, we do need experience and as WC points out, where the f**k is our CH? Plummer may well have played at CH, but unless he's got spring heels, then I'd seriously doubt that he'd be a serious CH pairing with McAusland. The CH situation should have been sorted already IMO, but some might say, it's dejá vu, concerning this particular position. We have needed two CH's for the past 4 seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 We have needed two CH's for the past 4 seasons It's amazing we can manage the 7th best defence in the league, when we had 3 keepers who played more than 5 games for us, we predominantly started with 2 full backs in their first senior season and we need 2 new centre backs too! How exactly did we do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Different players, under a different manager. Not the same team. As its been in several seasons. Billy's right - they are one of those teams that have historically caused us problems, no mater who's in charge or what players they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Spot on Billy. St Mirren historically have failed against lesser teams. Season 79/80 was a case in point. Had we performed better against Hibs, Dundee (both relegated) and Morton we could have pipped Aberdeen for Fergies first championship. To finish 3rd after what was a horrendous start and losing Zico mid season was amazing. We dropped 6 points to Morton that season and were pipped to teh title by 6 points... But then again, Morton finished 6th that season and were actually leading the title race at the half way point in the season and had a side with many great players, including Andy Ritchie who I believe won POTY that season... I remember looking at some old Paisley Daily Express' in the library many many years ago and had a look at some of the papers at the start of that season. We had in fact not won any of our first 4 league games and were knocked out of the League Cup by lower league Hamilton at home (we beat them 2-0 away but somehow managed to lose the home leg and get put out on penalties). The paper was doing a survey of Saints fans about the "crisis at Love Street". One fan told the paper that it was the worst Saints team he'd ever seen. Now let's remember that just 6 years previously we had effectively finished 29th in Scottish football... The turning point that season actually came when 2 expreineced players were dropped and 2 kids put in the team in their place. The guys dropped were John Dempster, a £30,000 signing from Queen of the South and the experienced Andy Dunlop. The 2 kids were the untested Mark Fulton & Peter Weir... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmac Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 At the end of last season they were yes, but Hibs had got themselves into a terrible state. You really think Hamilton are going to be a bigger threat to us next year than Hibs would have been? Hamilton have a smaller budget than we do, Hibs would have a considerably larger one. Hamilton will easily take 6 points off us this season, they will do ok for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Hamilton will easily take 6 points off us this season, they will do ok for themselves. What are you basing this on? After watching them, albeit in 2 games, against a poor Hibs side I'd be inclined to think we can do pretty decent against them as they were, IMO, piss poor. I'm not aware of the signings they have made which could make a difference but if the basis of the team is the same as last season then I think they will struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Banjos Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Let's not kid ourselves, minus the 2 Edinburgh teams and the continued absence of that lot from Glasgow the league this season will be the weakest ever. It won't be long until all 3 revert are back to their long term norm and our league position is knocked down by 2 or 3 places. Maybe, with that in mind, we should go with youth this season and hope that the likes of Brown and Reilly become as established as Naismith and Kelly are now. Would put us in good shape for the bigger battles to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 What are you basing this on? After watching them, albeit in 2 games, against a poor Hibs side I'd be inclined to think we can do pretty decent against them as they were, IMO, piss poor. I'm not aware of the signings they have made which could make a difference but if the basis of the team is the same as last season then I think they will struggle. But they beat Morton 10 - 2 and only managed 1 - 0 so that means ......................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Very true. I think folk tend to forget, also, that young players mature. I have high hopes for at least a couple of our new additions from the U20s. Imagine the seething and greetin on here if exactly 12 months ago the club announced that they were going to go with Kelly and Naismith as first choice full backs for the coming season. I don't think you have to imagine it. See posts re Kelly after the Morton game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 But they beat Morton 10 - 2 and only managed 1 - 0 so that means ......................................... By golly you're right it means ........................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 We have needed two CH's for the past 4 seasons and we're still in the top league, FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 As its been in several seasons. Billy's right - they are one of those teams that have historically caused us problems, no mater who's in charge or what players they have. O.K. so we have different players, a different manager, we're not the same team. Spooky if they're still causing us problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 But they beat Morton 10 - 2 and only managed 1 - 0 so that means ......................................... Different players, different manager, not the same team.......why do I feel am always repeating myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Calder Saint Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Listen I am all for youth no question. However no ifs or buts about it we are at least four experienced provan players short. Get things moving management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Listen I am all for youth no question. However no ifs or buts about it we are at least four experienced provan players short. Get things moving management. Tommy said as much after the Morton game. Said he'll be scouting this week to bring in a few experienced players to beef up the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 O.K. so we have different players, a different manager, we're not the same team. Spooky if they're still causing us problems. The Dhims have had new players and/or new management over the last twenty years, but still manage to hump us most seasons. Spooky, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Dhims have had new players and/or new management over the last twenty years, but still manage to hump us most seasons. Spooky, eh? Are they still causing us problems ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzy87 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 If it gets to the 3rd of september and we havent signed anymore players (i.e 2xCH, right sided midfielder and another striker), only at that point i would be worried. No point in worrying now. COYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstretchuk Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 You should have your players in place for pre-season....not still looking around for players..shows u have missed your targeted players and now scraping around for the dross that's left... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 One fan told the paper that it was the worst Saints team he'd ever seen. Didn't realise Elvis was that old, TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 You should have your players in place for pre-season....not still looking around for players..shows u have missed your targeted players and now scraping around for the dross that's left... You really are a tedious c**t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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