Sue Denim Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Lockdowns didn’t work https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-europe-lockdown-excess-deaths-recession/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 NHS in Renfrewshire threw 67 sick, elderly people out of hospital and seeded Covid into care homes on the orders of Nicola Sturgeon https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/renfrewshire-care-homes-covid-19-22330167 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 All the evidence says that masks don’t work “A 2019 paper examining the presence of viruses on the surface of medical masks concluded, "Respiratory pathogens on the outer surface of the used medical masks may result in self-contamination." https://www.sott.net/article/436447-Masked-Threats-Studies-Reveal-NO-Benefits-to-Global-COVID-19-Facemasks-for-all-Policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Given that you will be prevented from boarding a plane without a face mask, I wonder how the individuals who refuse to wear face masks will be getting abroad for their "booked" holiday. Better start flapping your arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Given that you will be prevented from boarding a plane without a face mask, I wonder how the individuals who refuse to wear face masks will be getting abroad for their "booked" holiday. Better start flapping your arms.If you are meaning me I am not refusing to wear a mask, just won't do it if I can avoid it. Will wear 1 when going to supermarket but will avoid other shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Tommy said: 1 hour ago, FTOF said: Given that you will be prevented from boarding a plane without a face mask, I wonder how the individuals who refuse to wear face masks will be getting abroad for their "booked" holiday. Better start flapping your arms. If you are meaning me I am not refusing to wear a mask, just won't do it if I can avoid it. Will wear 1 when going to supermarket but will avoid other shops. No you Tam, that fanny @Sue Denim, gobshite he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tommy said: 1 hour ago, FTOF said: Given that you will be prevented from boarding a plane without a face mask, I wonder how the individuals who refuse to wear face masks will be getting abroad for their "booked" holiday. Better start flapping your arms. If you are meaning me I am not refusing to wear a mask, just won't do it if I can avoid it. Will wear 1 when going to supermarket but will avoid other shops. See FS's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) Back from England. Had to use Post Office and Asda. Against my better instinct put a mask on in both. Horrible experience. Hate myself for bending over and taking it with the other sheeple. Was looking forward to going back into shops but after today, won't be going into any other shops other than those two until this nonsense is lifted. As an aside, 100% compliance in Asda. 50% in post office. Town is full of smug bastards thinking they are "doing their bit". I need a cup of tea and a wee lie doon. Edited July 10, 2020 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Back from England. Had to use Post Office and Asda. Against my better instinct put a mask on in both. Horrible experience. Hate myself for bending over and taking it with the other sheeple. Was looking forward to going back into shops but after today, won't be going into any other shops other than those two until this nonsense is lifted. As an aside, 100% compliance in Asda. 50% in post office. Town is full of smug bastards thinking they are "doing their bit". I need a cup of tea and a wee lie doon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 50 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Back from England. Had to use Post Office and Asda. Against my better instinct put a mask on in both. Horrible experience. Hate myself for bending over and taking it with the other sheeple. Was looking forward to going back into shops but after today, won't be going into any other shops other than those two until this nonsense is lifted. As an aside, 100% compliance in Asda. 50% in post office. Town is full of smug bastards thinking they are "doing their bit". I need a cup of tea and a wee lie doon. In the words of the Wee Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Latest “wall to wall coverage” from @TPAFKATS favourite news outlet The R number has made a reappearance and is now rising again, despite the ONS report yesterday highlighting that the number of people with the virus has fallen again and now sits at 1 in every 3,900 people (which is lower than the number infected in Scotland according to Nicola Sturgeon). The best bit is this: “the growth rate of COVID-19 infections in England has also risen, from -5% to -2% per day last week, to -4% to -1% per day this weeK” or to put it another way, the rate of decline has slowed well it would do if hardly anyone has it! It’s @TPAFKATS level of stupidity 😂 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-r-number-rises-slightly-in-england-following-lockdown-easing-12025709 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Back from England. Had to use Post Office and Asda. Against my better instinct put a mask on in both. Horrible experience. Hate myself for bending over and taking it with the other sheeple. Was looking forward to going back into shops but after today, won't be going into any other shops other than those two until this nonsense is lifted. As an aside, 100% compliance in Asda. 50% in post office. Town is full of smug bastards thinking they are "doing their bit". I need a cup of tea and a wee lie doon. It’s a virtue signaller’s paradise now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Sue Denim said: Lockdowns didn’t work https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-europe-lockdown-excess-deaths-recession/ Ignoring this article is from May, the words from it again contradict your claim. "While not a gauge of whether the decisions taken were the right ones" 3 hours ago, Sue Denim said: NHS in Renfrewshire threw 67 sick, elderly people out of hospital and seeded Covid into care homes on the orders of Nicola Sturgeon https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/renfrewshire-care-homes-covid-19-22330167 You have just said the lock down didn't work, if you don't think there should have been a lock down, where do you think these people should have went? I have asked you this before and you avoid answering because it contradicts your view. Without a lock down the options they'd have had wold have been their care home or hospitals that would factually be dealing with far more Covid patients given we know no lock down would have meant more people getting the virus quicker. 2 hours ago, FTOF said: Given that you will be prevented from boarding a plane without a face mask, I wonder how the individuals who refuse to wear face masks will be getting abroad for their "booked" holiday. Better start flapping your arms. They won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: Latest “wall to wall coverage” from @TPAFKATS favourite news outlet The R number has made a reappearance and is now rising again, despite the ONS report yesterday highlighting that the number of people with the virus has fallen again and now sits at 1 in every 3,900 people (which is lower than the number infected in Scotland according to Nicola Sturgeon). The best bit is this: “the growth rate of COVID-19 infections in England has also risen, from -5% to -2% per day last week, to -4% to -1% per day this weeK” or to put it another way, the rate of decline has slowed well it would do if hardly anyone has it! It’s @TPAFKATS level of stupidity 😂 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-r-number-rises-slightly-in-england-following-lockdown-easing-12025709 Almost like the lock down worked and now it's being lifted gradually we are going slightly in the opposite direction... So you were wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: It’s a virtue signaller’s paradise now Yes it is and that grinds my gears more than anything. All the Karen's have just been handed the power they have always wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 I've just realised I forgot to buy some dinner for tonight. f**k. Back to Asda we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: I've just realised I forgot to buy some dinner for tonight. f**k. Back to Asda we go... So, when you went into Asda earlier, WTF did you buy then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, Yflab said: I’d hazard a guess at more bog roll. After a few days in an old Scouts tent I'm going for soap & deodorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, faraway saint said: After a few days in an old Scouts tent I'm going for soap & deodorant. Pic of Wee Boaby after a scrub up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddymarvellous Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Very poor taste Ricky..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Buddymarvellous said: Very poor taste Ricky..... It's ok, @div will sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buddymarvellous said: Very poor taste Ricky..... Is he taller than Wee Boaby? (PS. I see FM is off to Div) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Sue Denim said: NHS in Renfrewshire threw 67 sick, elderly people out of hospital and seeded Covid into care homes on the orders of Nicola Sturgeon https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/renfrewshire-care-homes-covid-19-22330167 This is very misleading. Patients transfered out off hospital to carehomes should have been in isolation with full infection control procedures in place ensuring that any risk of spread to other residents was minimal. I cannot answer for GG&C healthboard but in a sample survey I have seen, the death rate for patients moved out into care homes is @5% within the first 21 days, so most of the carehome deaths were not patients carrying the disease with them into the care home but contracting it there. Or indeed spreading it there. There is a question about how well prepared and equiped the carehomes were, and it very noticeable that there are homes were here single infection events have occured and been contained and others where it has gone through the home like wildfire. And indeed some homes where no infection has occured. Certainly decanting patients from hospital appears to have been idea then leaving them in hospital where beds were going to be need and were Covid-19 was most certainly going to be present with the risk of transmission to these vulnerable patients. Nice try Carlaw now f**k off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, insaintee said: This is very misleading. Patients transfered out off hospital to carehomes should have been in isolation with full infection control procedures in place ensuring that any risk of spread to other residents was minimal. I cannot answer for GG&C healthboard but in a sample survey I have seen, the death rate for patients moved out into care homes is @5% within the first 21 days, so most of the carehome deaths were not patients carrying the disease with them into the care home but contracting it there. Or indeed spreading it there. There is a question about how well prepared and equiped the carehomes were, and it very noticeable that there are homes were here single infection events have occured and been contained and others where it has gone through the home like wildfire. And indeed some homes where no infection has occured. Certainly decanting patients from hospital appears to have been idea then leaving them in hospital where beds were going to be need and were Covid-19 was most certainly going to be present with the risk of transmission to these vulnerable patients. Nice try Carlaw now f**k off Well argued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, insaintee said: This is very misleading. Patients transfered out off hospital to carehomes should have been in isolation with full infection control procedures in place ensuring that any risk of spread to other residents was minimal. I cannot answer for GG&C healthboard but in a sample survey I have seen, the death rate for patients moved out into care homes is @5% within the first 21 days, so most of the carehome deaths were not patients carrying the disease with them into the care home but contracting it there. Or indeed spreading it there. There is a question about how well prepared and equiped the carehomes were, and it very noticeable that there are homes were here single infection events have occured and been contained and others where it has gone through the home like wildfire. And indeed some homes where no infection has occured. Certainly decanting patients from hospital appears to have been idea then leaving them in hospital where beds were going to be need and were Covid-19 was most certainly going to be present with the risk of transmission to these vulnerable patients. Nice try Carlaw now f**k off So, to summarise, Boris wasn't to blame for the high volume of deaths in care homes and was closer to the truth this week when he mentioned that some care homes hadn't followed hygiene guidlines and were, in fact, to blame for the outbreaks and resulting deaths? You'll not be popular with the witch hunters in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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