Edinbuddie Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 The whole issue of refereeing standards and appeals is turning into a farce, with the SFA stuck in the middle of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to spin the Arquin decision as a technicality. On the basis of some of the officials decisions that we've seen this season, I genuinely now have no idea what is going to constitute a Yellow or Red card in a game, and whether it's going to be overturned at a later date. To me, games are now refereed in such a haphazard manner that what is a Yellow or Red card in the second half of a game may only a warrant a ticking off in the first half. The fast track appeals panel seem to increasingly be overturning decisions, but the SFA are treading a thin line here. I'm just waiting for the Head of Referees or an ex referee to voice their unhappiness at what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Mat Northcroft - GIRFUY. Yes, unless I'm mistaken it was him who said to the ref, certain red , a sending off. Wrong ya sac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yes, unless I'm mistaken it was him who said to the ref, certain red , a sending off. Wrong ya sac I believe they're saying that the offence did constitute a red , but because the 4th official alerted the ref when the ball was out of play then the offence should have been "serious foul play" rather than the "violent conduct" which the ref reported him for , and that that grey area means they have to downgrade to a yellow. I know , I don't understand it either ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 One step in the right direction would be if officials had to declare which team they support . . They have to do it dan saff so why not up here . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I believe they're saying that the offence did constitute a red , but because the 4th official alerted the ref when the ball was out of play then the offence should have been "serious foul play" rather than the "violent conduct" which the ref reported him for , and that that grey area means they have to downgrade to a yellow. I know , I don't understand it either ! Sounds they are just saving face here He would have written down that Arquin stamped on the boy That wasn't the case,so they have came up with this pish Serious foul play and violent conduct are both red card offences Sounds the ref and his cohorts have spat the dummy at them and they have came up with pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 So next time Goodwin (or Thommo or Kenny or Arquin) want to clatter someone, they only need wait til the ball is out of play, and anything goes. Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Serious foul play and violent conduct are both red card offences Yes I know , but it looks like the refs inability to differentiate between them has saved us a suspension. nb. the incident was reported on Saturday as serious foul play , but the player was cited for violent conduct. Edited January 23, 2015 by billyg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Mentioned it before - the ball was already out of play when Arquin made the challenge. The ref is even signalling for a throw in before the fourth official gets involved. I don't think it's a mistake in the ref's report, more that they felt it wasn't worthy of a red card because the ball was out. Weird one - surely it could also be classed as an off the ball offence as play has stopped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Mentioned it before - the ball was already out of play when Arquin made the challenge. The ref is even signalling for a throw in before the fourth official gets involved. I don't think it's a mistake in the ref's report, more that they felt it wasn't worthy of a red card because the ball was out. Weird one - surely it could also be classed as an off the ball offence as play has stopped! Not sure what it could be classed as Stu, other than a twat Highland fourth official trying to give a Highland team a helping hand by abusing his position to get a West of Scotland team down to ten men in a hugely important game. An otherwise un-interested referee and referee's assistant are about to get on with the game until this bawbag Teuchter sees his chance and takes it. Cheat. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I thought the ref Wed was good and how often have I said that this season. Yes we won game but we were thrashing them before the sending off, then Packie Bonnar says it was a red, total crap, so far Thommo which was harsh, McLean both massively impacted result I have faith we will finish 10th but if we do, what an achievement. Anyway its Friday, we are unbeaten in 2 games, we have doubled our home points and come Sat will treble to 6, we will be 10th and onwards and upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Mentioned it before - the ball was already out of play when Arquin made the challenge. The ref is even signalling for a throw in before the fourth official gets involved. I don't think it's a mistake in the ref's report, more that they felt it wasn't worthy of a red card because the ball was out. Weird one - surely it could also be classed as an off the ball offence as play has stopped! This technicality doesn't make much sense. What is the source? Speaking as someone who as written hundreds of these ref reports before, the ball being out is irrelevant. Looks like the ref or ref source feeding the journalist nonsense to try save face to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 This technicality doesn't make much sense. What is the source? Speaking as someone who as written hundreds of these ref reports before, the ball being out is irrelevant. Looks like the ref or ref source feeding the journalist nonsense to try save face to me. There was a bit in The Sun today. As the ball was already out of play it was deemed only to be worthy of a yellow card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) There was a bit in The Sun today. As the ball was already out of play it was deemed only to be worthy of a yellow card. That's a nonsensical argument. Players have received red cards for a bust-up in the tunnel after the game etc. Edited January 23, 2015 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 There was a bit in The Sun today. As the ball was already out of play it was deemed only to be worthy of a yellow card. The position of the ball is irrelevant. Refs can change their mind about any decision as long as play hasn't restarted. I think it's been overturned because it clearly wasn't a red card! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Just grabbed the paper. Essentially: Ref made decision based on fourth official Fourth official said it was violent conduct as the ball was out of play Panel saw ref hadn't blown and play continued As a result they decided it was "recklessly dangerous play" and dropped it to a booking. Edited January 23, 2015 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Just grabbed the paper. Essentially: Ref made decision based on fourth official Fourth official said it was violent conduct as the ball was out of play Panel saw ref hadn't blown and play continued As a result they decided it was "recklessly dangerous play" and dropped it to a booking. Ergo, clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 On Arquin generally, the message that came through loud and clear from the Staggies on P&B was that as long as he felt wanted, and was in a good frame of mind, then he'd be a good player for us. I hope this appeal pays off in more ways than one: he should feel welcomed, and like he's at a club that values his contribution enough to mount that appeal. I hope he smacks in a couple tomorrow to pay us back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan C Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I hope he gets a hatrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 One and a half games. .. and two of our three goals have come from him winning a header and flicking it on. Really liking the potential here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave The Buddie Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 He has lead the line well I have 2 say but the jury is out wi he finishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erskinebud Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 There was a bit in The Sun today. As the ball was already out of play it was deemed only to be worthy of a yellow card. That's that then, must be true, if it's in The Scum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 One and a half games. .. and two of our three goals have come from him winning a header and flicking it on. Really liking the potential here. Well noticed, it seems if he doesn't score that doesn't count. Promising after 1.5 games...................................a goal tomorrow and he's a "legend" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well noticed, it seems if he doesn't score that doesn't count. Promising after 1.5 games...................................a goal tomorrow and he's a "legend" Ffs , it took Billy years to become a goal machine. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurich_allan Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 To me - a good forward can be any one or combination of: Good at getting in positions to receive an out ball, hold it up until he has support and has ability to consistently assist goals. Doesn't have to have any footballing skill whatsoever but has an eye for goal and can score lots. A combination of both of the above. Forwards don't HAVE to be great footballers, and don't HAVE to individually score loads as long as they make up in one area what they lack in others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Didn't need a source as I knew it was true, Unlike many on here im not a liarWherever you heard or read this is your source ya numpty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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