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I,believe  have more depth in our  squad as a result of Jack Ross,s dealing in the transfer window so far , also we are playing better , against Morton we were bullied all over the park and it wasn,t helped by having limited options on the bench to change things , that's not the case now as our recent signings seem to be fit ,  strong  and able to play a couple of positions , we also seem to have found ourselves  a decent keeper , thinking we,re now ready to go on a decent run , which will hopefuly allow us to be in excellent shape come the start of next season

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I think some on here were in denial about how much trouble we were in when JR took over. Basically Rae left us in a dreadful state, No doubt TC will have stats suggesting that Rae is a better manager than Jack Ross but that just is not the case. We were in a a nosedive.

  I've heard that certain individuals were offered the gig but turned it down because they didn't want relegation on their CV. and didn't like the squad or the budget. 

When Jack came in we had no goal threat, no dig, no goalkeeper no defence and players like Mallan were simply waiting to leave. 

We are not out of the woods yet and we might still go down, but Jack has addressed all of these problems to at least some degree. 

Has he made mistakes IMHO yes. I wouldn't keep bringing on Clarkson,Shankland  or Webster in the hope that they might one day live up to their reputations and Hutton, Walsh Hardy should have been chased much earlier. I would have played Baird instead of Webster and  McLear or Orsi instead of Clarkson, or Shankland.

However  I also get why he felt that maybe the team was to young and needed old heads.

I've been very impressed by his transfer dealings.

So for me, pass marks before yesterday and pass marks to day.   

 

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One game at a time and all that but he's strengthened in defence which was much needed, hopefully we'll become hard to score against and this in turn gives the forward thinking players more confidence to take chances and be more positive in their play. I think if we can beat Falkirk next week then we will go on a run and would be well capable of beating Dumbarton and Ayr away from home. I've always believed we could get out of this but the new acquisitions have gave me even more optimism.

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I think some on here were in denial about how much trouble we were in when JR took over. Basically Rae left us in a dreadful state, No doubt TC will have stats suggesting that Rae is a better manager than Jack Ross but that just is not the case. We were in a a nosedive.
  I've heard that certain individuals were offered the gig but turned it down because they didn't want relegation on their CV. and didn't like the squad or the budget. 
When Jack came in we had no goal threat, no dig, no goalkeeper no defence and players like Mallan were simply waiting to leave. 
We are not out of the woods yet and we might still go down, but Jack has addressed all of these problems to at least some degree. 
Has he made mistakes IMHO yes. I wouldn't keep bringing on Clarkson,Shankland  or Webster in the hope that they might one day live up to their reputations and Hutton, Walsh Hardy should have been chased much earlier. I would have played Baird instead of Webster and  McLear or Orsi instead of Clarkson, or Shankland.
However  I also get why he felt that maybe the team was to young and needed old heads.
I've been very impressed by his transfer dealings.
So for me, pass marks before yesterday and pass marks to day.   
 

That's a fair point no doubt.

Ultimately we all ( I hope ) want the same thing , Jack to be a success , the team to survive in this league and the new players to give us back some pride.

Naturally we can always link things back to previous employees, but there comes a point where we need to stop blaming others and the people in place start being responsible.

Jack and the new players I believe are going to give us one hell of a finish to the season and talk of him leaving can be put to bed.

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Rae is ancient history as far as i'm concerned. He's not to blame for what happens between now and May and therefore we can't use him as an excuse. However if discussing Rae seperately from St Mirren, then i'm glad he's gone because we were horrendous to watch when he was manager.

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19 hours ago, whydowebother said:


Is it ?

As far as I can see , we are still rooted to the bottom of the table 7 points adrift with 12 games to get in to a position where we can escape , otherwise the last 3 become irrelevant.

A cup win ? That won't make an ounce of difference to what league we will play in next season.

A manager if they get you relegated is progress ?

A number of new signings ? Nothing has changed yet , but least we're playing better.

Jack Ross should STAY to the end of the season and he will. He has been given the green light to stay on , so in a funny way let's hope that removes a pressure and the new faces getting us some points on the board 'then' make this a daft thread.

I do think we will survive and don't mind people starting threads based on how they feel, no offence needed , it's just a thread sharing points of view and if they don't conform to other beliefs ? It doesn't make them any more or less entitled to be posted.

Fair comments, I happen to be worried about our chances of survival this season. However to start a thread saying the manager must go before he's had a chance to bring in any players is just plain daft in my opinion. 

Sacking the manager will make things much worse in my opinion. TC has a go at Ross at every opportunity I believe that it's important that people who believe in the manager stick up for him. 

At the end of the day TC could well be correct, however we need to give the guy a chance. I hope and firmly believe that Jack will come good, really good.

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23 hours ago, proudtobeabuddy said:

Rae is ancient history as far as i'm concerned. He's not to blame for what happens between now and May and therefore we can't use him as an excuse. However if discussing Rae seperately from St Mirren, then i'm glad he's gone because we were horrendous to watch when he was manager.

The Rae hangover is just being removed with the new (hopefully better signings) 

With the exception of Sutton not one senior Rae signing or contract he extended has filled me with confidence.  He signed a bunch of complete duds and it's cost us greatly long after he's vanished. 

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Yet we sacked Alex Rae because he played rubbish football according to people.


The only thing that matters in football is results.

I'm amazed by people always wanting us to play on the deck and through the back, when we don't have players capable of doing so.

We've been at our most effective when we've played a yardage game, pressing and harrying the opposition into mistakes in their own half, where we can take advantage. We are unable to consistently break down teams by passing the football about.

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41 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

 


I've been told that porn is an alternative option than your obsession with Jack Ross emoji6.png

I'm finalising my travel plans for the Ayr game but You know what I might just stay at home and have a [email protected]@K.  On second thoughts I don't need a walk. Where's that train timetable.

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1 minute ago, TopCat said:

 

 


I'fe been told your missus used porn as an alternative option for the real thing.

;)

 

 

Well seen you have not a single pea pod in your brain about accounts.  In your defence nether has anyone who agrees with you. Soon we will have a full team on garden leave. In case you can't comprehend that it means they are on full payment for not working.  In case you can't grasp that it's why we are where we are.  In case that is too difficult too understand its why for the past few years our budget is lower than it should be. If you can't get that your supporting the wrong team. I'm away for toastie with brie  chilli, bacon & tomato because my budget allows me to. Good night  MadCap 

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Well seen you have not a single pea pod in your brain about accounts.  In your defence nether has anyone who agrees with you. Soon we will have a full team on garden leave. In case you can't comprehend that it means they are on full payment for not working.  In case you can't grasp that it's why we are where we are.  In case that is too difficult too understand its why for the past few years our budget is lower than it should be. If you can't get that your supporting the wrong team. I'm away for toastie with brie  chilli, bacon & tomato because my budget allows me to. Good night  MadCap 



The latest in a serial of bizarre rants from yourself.

Hope you're well bud, WLTM you in a Glasgow bar and pay you what I (apparently) owe. Hope you bring the toasties x

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On 1/22/2017 at 3:39 PM, insaintee said:

I think some on here were in denial about how much trouble we were in when JR took over. Basically Rae left us in a dreadful state, No doubt TC will have stats suggesting that Rae is a better manager than Jack Ross but that just is not the case. We were in a a nosedive.

  I've heard that certain individuals were offered the gig but turned it down because they didn't want relegation on their CV. and didn't like the squad or the budget. 

When Jack came in we had no goal threat, no dig, no goalkeeper no defence and players like Mallan were simply waiting to leave. 

We are not out of the woods yet and we might still go down, but Jack has addressed all of these problems to at least some degree. 

Has he made mistakes IMHO yes. I wouldn't keep bringing on Clarkson,Shankland  or Webster in the hope that they might one day live up to their reputations and Hutton, Walsh Hardy should have been chased much earlier. I would have played Baird instead of Webster and  McLear or Orsi instead of Clarkson, or Shankland.

However  I also get why he felt that maybe the team was to young and needed old heads.

I've been very impressed by his transfer dealings.

So for me, pass marks before yesterday and pass marks to day.   

 

Sorry but I do think this post is quite delusional.

Jack Ross has now had 15 league games in the championship this season; Played 15, Won 2, Drawn 4, Lost 9. 10/45 Points. Rae did not leave us with such a bad squad that all hope of competing with part-time Ayr and Dumbarton nevermind the full-time teams had to be surrendered. You say Ross should have chased Walsh sooner than he did - Walsh was barely given a chance by Ross despite the fact that his goals accounted for 50% of our league points gained until the point he was totally dropped from all involvement in the matchday squads.

It doesn't particularly matter much now that Rae is away but he did have a lot of key injuries during his 6 league games: Quinn missed all of them, MacKenzie missed most of them, McAllister missed all of them, Morgan missed a few, Ben Gordon missed most of them as well, Calum Gallacher also picked up an injury early in the season. Langfield and Gallagher also threw in a couple of howlers during Rae's league games as well.

Rae left such a bad squad for Jack Ross to inherit that:

1. Jason Naismith moved to Ross County for a nominal fee.

2, Lawrence Shankland went on loan to Morton

3. Ryan Hardie went on loan to Raith Rovers

4. Scott Gallacher went to Hibs

5. Derby County have paid anywhere between £200-500k for Kyle McAllister. 

6. Even Calum Gallagher also moved to a club above us in the league - Dumbarton

Clubs were looking at paying a fee for Stevie Mallan as well so over half of Rae's shambles of a squad have been snapped up by clubs further up the league(s) than ourselves at the moment which hardly suggests Jack Ross inherited a squad with players unable to compete at Championship level. Only Kyle Hutton has dropped down a level and Tom Walsh was released by Rangers and hasn't found himself a new club yet. 

When Jack Ross came in our goal scoring deteriorated as he dropped Walsh completely after a few games, threw Shankland in and dropped him again, did the same with Hardie, and dropped Sutton

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2 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Sorry but I do think this post is quite delusional.

Jack Ross has now had 15 league games in the championship this season; Played 15, Won 2, Drawn 4, Lost 9. 10/45 Points. Rae did not leave us with such a bad squad that all hope of competing with part-time Ayr and Dumbarton nevermind the full-time teams had to be surrendered. You say Ross should have chased Walsh sooner than he did - Walsh was barely given a chance by Ross despite the fact that his goals accounted for 50% of our league points gained until the point he was totally dropped from all involvement in the matchday squads.

It doesn't particularly matter much now that Rae is away but he did have a lot of key injuries during his 6 league games: Quinn missed all of them, MacKenzie missed most of them, McAllister missed all of them, Morgan missed a few, Ben Gordon missed most of them as well, Calum Gallacher also picked up an injury early in the season. Langfield and Gallagher also threw in a couple of howlers during Rae's league games as well.

Rae left such a bad squad for Jack Ross to inherit that:

1. Jason Naismith moved to Ross County for a nominal fee.

2, Lawrence Shankland went on loan to Morton

3. Ryan Hardie went on loan to Raith Rovers

4. Scott Gallacher went to Hibs

5. Derby County have paid anywhere between £200-500k for Kyle McAllister. 

6. Even Calum Gallagher also moved to a club above us in the league - Dumbarton

Clubs were looking at paying a fee for Stevie Mallan as well so over half of Rae's shambles of a squad have been snapped up by clubs further up the league(s) than ourselves at the moment which hardly suggests Jack Ross inherited a squad with players unable to compete at Championship level. Only Kyle Hutton has dropped down a level and Tom Walsh was released by Rangers and hasn't found himself a new club yet. 

When Jack Ross came in our goal scoring deteriorated as he dropped Walsh completely after a few games, threw Shankland in and dropped him again, did the same with Hardie, and dropped Sutton

The reality is Ross wasnt up to managing yet at this level, and two clubs are looking like paying the price for his learning curve.

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Does anyone really believe that these kind of threads will help us? 


No one is saying they'll help..... but the facts don't lie.
I'm all for being behind the manager etc, and he has now basically revamped the playing squad.
Can JR save us...... I doubt it, as the teams directly above us continue to pick up points, regardless of what we do.

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12 minutes ago, TopCat said:

The last time we drew at Dumbarton, Gordon Scott sacked the manager swiftly afterwards.

I'm sure that decision is ringing in his ears this evening.

I'm sure it's not.

the only frustration is that there has been zero improvement. Today, we played like a team that didn't know each other. Defensively we were appalling, no buddy plays (shite American term!) and it looked like we didn't know how to defend a corner. 4 out of 6 defenders that played today weren't here in December.

the other issues was that, despite a good turnout, the fans hand no real rapport with the team. This wasn't a fans &a team gamlvanised performance like Falkirk all those years ago.

i only hope we treat the two cup games as friendly games. Ross has to field his best 11 in both games, the team that will see us through to the end of the season barring injuries. f**k rotation etc. This is it.

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