TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, DLBud said: We’re always going to lose more to the big teams than we win but belief and confidence are so important in sport and give you a realistic platform to challenge the bigger, stronger, faster teams or individuals. There’s little point in debating this, however, the way things are going for this team they’ll be heading into games against Hamilton and Killie expecting to get turned over unless something changes soon. I agree Bud, but the point I was making was that we lost to the big teams a helluva lot less back then than we do now. Take the cup tie at parkhead the season before last. We turned up with great belief. Turned in arguably one of our best performances of that season. Gave Celtic a right good run for their money. However, ultimately we still got comfortably spanked 4-1. its so much more difficult to get a result against them these days than it was in the past. As for Stubbs, if he walked out the door tomorrow I’d be delighted, but if we are going to have to sack him, then I suspect he’ll be given at least the first quarter until we have matched up to all the teams in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenstrieSaint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, lenziebud said: Couldn't agree more. How Stubbs was given this job in front of Jim McIntyre is and was beyond me. What a task Jim would have though in turning this shambles round. Did it at Ross County but would need the board's help big time in January. Have a funny feeling that McIntryre may just pop up at Tannadice soon. Did Jim McIntyre not knock back the Falkirk job ? Maybe he know,s something we don,t . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Buddie Marvelous said: This was Daniel Morrow's run down on what was thought to be the top 7 managers to replace Jack Ross.... (as most are still being touted) Robbie Neilson Neilson’s successes at Hearts, alongside his intent for his team to play with an emphasis on a free-flowing passing game is likely to excite the Buddies. Following automatic promotion from the Scottish Championship ahead of Hibernian and a substantially wealthier Rangers side, Neilson led the Edinburgh side to the Europa League in his first season in the top flight. His success led to a spell with MK Dons and following a poor spell of one win in 11 matches, Neilson left the club by mutual consent earlier this year. Verdict His record in Scotland speaks for itself, but his eagerness to have a crack at a so-called greater opportunity may lead to him using the club as a potential stepping stone if he performs well. Jim Goodwin Goodwin is regarded as a legend following the club’s League Cup victory in 2013. After an ill-fated spell as coach at St Mirren, Goodwin has made a post-playing career recovery by taking Alloa back up to the Championship. His side defeated Dumbarton in the promotion play-off, where they recovered from a goal down in the first leg, winning 2-1 on aggregate. That fighting spirit is reminiscent of his days as a Saints player – the fans will be hoping that he can carry his playing success into management. Verdict Likely to win immediate backing from supporters given his stature as a player, but his lack of experience in the dugout is a risk. The budget any manager is likely to receive will be less so than the majority of the league, so fighting spirit in the opening season may work in Saints favour. Alan Stubbs Led Hibernian to Scottish Cup victory for the first time in 114 years, but was unable to secure promotion from the Scottish Championship in the two years he spent as manager. Upon securing the Scottish Cup, Stubbs left Hibs to join Rotherham United for a short spell, where he managed just one victory in 14 games, conceding 37 goals. Since this role, he has appeared regularly on BT Sport as a pundit. Verdict His success in the Scottish Cup is hard to argue against, but lacks the same charisma of Jack Ross which should make him unlikely to make the shortlist. David Hopkin Unlucky not to be nominated for PFA Scotland’s Manager of the Year given his achievements at Livingston. Following promotion from Scottish League One, Livingston were among the favourites to be relegated at the beginning of the 2017/18 season. However, Hopkin instilled a high work ethic amongst his players and boasted an incredibly strong January transfer window, signing the likes of Jordan Thompson, Ryan Hardie and Lee Miller who all proved vital in the run in to the play-offs. Verdict Likely to be of interest to various other clubs, with Carlisle rumoured to be speaking to him about their vacancy. His achievements are undeniable, but would he leave Livingston for another Premiership club given the backing the board have given him? Jim McIntyre Been out of work since September of last year, and many have claimed his sacking led to Ross County’s fall into the Scottish Championship. McIntyre’s recent credentials are strong, having guided the Highland side to League Cup victory, winning the club’s first major honour in 2016. In the same season, McIntyre took the club to their first top-six finish in the top flight. Additionally, he previously led Dunfermline into the top flight in the 2010/11 and has steered Queen of the South to the play-offs. Verdict Has expressed his eagerness to return to football, and with a CV such as this, it will not be long before he finds himself back in work. However, has had issues with continuity in his squad, which is reflected upon the fact he signed 49 new players in his three years as County manager. Danny Lennon Another club legend having led to St Mirren to their first major honour in 26 years. Lennon’s contract was not renewed by Saints in 2014 after the club finished eighth in the Scottish Premiership. His brand of football was lauded by critics up and down Scotland for their positive style. Following a poor spell at Alloa Athletic and an interim period at Airdrieonians, Lennon is currently the boss at Clyde, where his side were unlucky to miss out on the promotion play-offs. Verdict The League Cup win in 2013 will forever live in the memory of Saints fans, however it is likely Lennon will attempt to give David Goodwillie a shortcut back into the top flight following a 20+ goal season with Clyde. Given Goodwillie’s off-field antics, St Mirren should certainly avoid. As for Lennon, many will feel he should never have been sacked in the first place Graeme Murty Took over Rangers when the club were in a dire situation as a result of the failed Pedro Caixinha experiment. Rangers ended this season finishing third, with Murty leading the club for the majority of it. Graeme Murty was relieved of his head coaching duties in April but remains a paid employee of the club. Rangers expressed in a statement that they were willing for him to return to the club as youth coach, but right now this seems unlikely. Verdict Would be an complete step in the wrong direction for St Mirren. In a season where the club mostly needs stability in order to survive, the last thing they need is a manager with a short history of instability. Caldwell is missing maybe not for long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Ok , so taking on board the views of those who say we shouldn’t sack Stubbs , how bout we send him out on loan instead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Drew said: Aye, can't remember the exact detail of his departure. Was it confirmed? Not completely sure. From memory I thought IM resigned that evening and AR got sacked the evening after Dumbarton as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 hours ago, helpmaboab said: Alan no doubt negotiated the 3 year contract....... AS........."If you want me here, I will require a three year contract " OUR BOD......"Aye, OK, anything you say Alan. When cun yi start?" AS........"the morra" For me I just can’t believe he was given the deal. GLS might say ‘we made a mistake’ but it’s dumbfounding that anyone can make such a mistake. I didn’t think he should even of been near the running for the job in the summer and was gobsmacked at the 3 year deal. Surely to god someone would of said to him ‘what the hell are you thinking even suggesting 3 years’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, bazil85 said: For me I just can’t believe he was given the deal. GLS might say ‘we made a mistake’ but it’s dumbfounding that anyone can make such a mistake. I didn’t think he should even of been near the running for the job in the summer and was gobsmacked at the 3 year deal. Surely to god someone would of said to him ‘what the hell are you thinking even suggesting 3 years’ We don’t know the ins and outs of the contract. We don’t know what sort of performance related clauses that could potentially trigger a parting of ways. We don’t know if there’s a probationary period involving maybe a reduced settlement fee. I don’t think we can criticise GLS too much without knowing what’s involved in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmac Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Maybe SMiSA should be formulating a poll to ask members about it, they are a fairly large shareholder after all. No doubt they'll fall into line behind the Chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie82 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 hours ago, davidg said: Not for me. If GLS is going to pull the trigger get McIntyre in to try sort it out. No to McIntyre please. I can’t believe that after facing Aberdeen, Hearts and Rangers we’re ready to sack our manager it’s ridiculous. I don’t see my many point points forthcoming but he has to be allowed a chance to take on teams at our end of the league before deciding. Once again how does JJ know all this info ? Can you tell us what you have heard JJ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 No to McIntyre please. I can’t believe that after facing Aberdeen, Hearts and Rangers we’re ready to sack our manager it’s ridiculous. I don’t see my many point points forthcoming but he has to be allowed a chance to take on teams at our end of the league before deciding. Once again how does JJ know all this info ? Can you tell us what you have heard JJ ? Yep, he should be judged on results and performances against teams like Livingston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie82 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 That is one game . October international break for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said: Yep, he should be judged on results and performances against teams like Livingston. Don't forget Dundee.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 That is one game . October international break for meok . How about someone like Spartans or Queen’s Park . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 1:03 PM, LargsBud said: would suggest its more a case of them not wanting to give Stubbs any more money to spend based on the standard of players he has brought in so far. If we've got cash, which we probably do, i wouldn't trust him with it. I think this is the most astute observation to date. Our owner was / is a business man who earned a few bob doing businessy like thingmybobs, might it not be the case as per the above post that he has finally thought HOLY SH*T what's going on here and just slowed things down a tad to see what he (AS) can do with what he has until January. I appreciate; as many others on here have said that nobody expected much from the Hearts game (myself included) really the most recent game that causes worry is the LIvingstone one; but it is a new squad and many probably will not make the step up, although perhaps a few will and gel with the likes of McGinn et al and develop into a squad that becomes better and wins 'some' games in the coming months. We are where we are and I think we have to trust the owner to pilot St Mirren forward as best he can with what staff he has to hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Perhaps someone would be good enough to do a wee list of the teams we are not expected to do well against.It’s not the results that are necessarily the issue , it’s the performances . Overall we have been rank rotten and we seem to be going backwards without any indication that the management team know how to halt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLBud Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Ultimately it’s results based business and managers stand or fall on the basis of those results. However, there are other indicators, some only available to those close to the inner workings of the club, that will influence decisions also.Recruitment has been debated ad nauseam so I’ll leave that for now. The other key factor is team harmony. If players are unhappy, for whatever reason, then they’re not likely to produce their best. We’ve no idea what it’s like at Ralston but the body language of the players and the rumours emanating of player unrest don’t suggest things are good.FWIW I don’t believe we will fire him this week but when you look at his body of work since joining the axe can’t be far if things don’t improve quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said: Perhaps someone would be good enough to do a wee list of the teams we are not expected to do well against. It’s not the results that are necessarily the issue , it’s the performances . Overall we have been rank rotten and we seem to be going backwards without any indication that the management team know how to halt it. See League within a League thread ya lazy b'strd. Edited September 2, 2018 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 11 hours ago, shull said: A BOD ? what is that ? IMMENSE FEEL GOOD FACTOR ????? Our previous Manager fecked off and left a shit legacy. Even extended the contract of one of the worst goalies we have ever had. Tch; tch, I'll grant you Samson is not the best goalie the club has had (Denis Connaghan for me) but he is nothing like the worst either (remember Scrimigour). I know you love him really because you always hurt the one you love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Kemp said: GLS is nothing but a propery specualtor. He is an idiot in proper business and has been made a mug of. yes BUT he is a property speculator who can spell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 55 minutes ago, melmac said: Maybe SMiSA should be formulating a poll to ask members about it, they are a fairly large shareholder after all. No doubt they'll fall into line behind the Chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, norrie82 said: No to McIntyre please. I can’t believe that after facing Aberdeen, Hearts and Rangers we’re ready to sack our manager it’s ridiculous. I don’t see my many point points forthcoming but he has to be allowed a chance to take on teams at our end of the league before deciding. Once again how does JJ know all this info ? Can you tell us what you have heard JJ ? What info? You don’t half get your knickers in a twist for Christ sake. My opinion is he won’t last long at all, something is clearly wrong behind the scenes, it’s absolutely toxic, you would have to be an absolute muppet not to see that. Where did they budget go we had set aside for bringing in Miller? All of a sudden we had to ship players out before we brought anybody else in? Stubbs blaming everybody but himself in his interviews, the writing is on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumboBud Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, melmac said: Maybe SMiSA should be formulating a poll to ask members about it, they are a fairly large shareholder after all. No doubt they'll fall into line behind the Chairman. ....and this is exactly where fan ownership falls down. The board run the club not the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, DumboBud said: ....and this is exactly where fan ownership falls down. The board run the club not the fans. That's worked well so far in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, FTOF said: 9 minutes ago, DumboBud said: ...and this is exactly where fan ownership falls down. The board run the club not the fans. That's worked well so far in this instance. The board discuss items on the agenda and input into the decisions perhaps but anyone who thinks the owner doesn't make the decisions needs to return to kindergarten to get their nappy changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 We cant just focus on our league form we were shocking in the cup as well. There is clearly problems. The public display by McGinn and Smith last week just highlighted it. Stubbs is out of his depth and imo should not be given anymore time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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