TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, billyg said: I'm well aware of Celtic's results that season , they lost a lot of games , because manager's sent their teams out to try and beat them , these managers certainly didn't write off the points because of the Celtic's stature , unlike what is being suggested as happening now. Yes. That and they were rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said: Yes. That and they were rubbish. Just now, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said: Yes. That and they were rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, Franny Fat said: Check the amount of St Mirren Players watching Naismith heading the ball in to the net for the 3rd Goal I make that 7, This looks like stubbs is not managing this team properly, either he is failing in his training methods or he has lost the dressing room. The Alan Stubbs project is not working and he may well be on his way soon. As much as we can blame the manager, he is not on the pitch plus these are professional footballers that, if nothing else, should have the basics in how to defend. If they need someone else to explain how to mark a man and defend a set piece then they shouldn't be on the pitch. That's what they are paid for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Dan Is The Man said: I wonder if Hibs fans are calling for Lennons head after a Livingston defeat. To be fair they haven't drawn with Spartans and Queens Park. Nor have they been completely and utterly reamed by The blue bigots, Hearts and Aberdeen in quick succession. I also noticed that their manager took full responsibility for their defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, faraway saint said: Well, I got that right. You, on the other hand...................... If you derive a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment from that, just you fill your boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, nedflanders123 said: As much as we can blame the manager, he is not on the pitch plus these are professional footballers that, if nothing else, should have the basics in how to defend. If they need someone else to explain how to mark a man and defend a set piece then they shouldn't be on the pitch. That's what they are paid for. The players we had last season seemed to be much more aware of how to defend, possibly because they were better defenders but also because they seemed to be much more organised. Last season, before games, you would see the back four warming up together, keeping their line, building up awareness of each others game and developing into a solid unit. This season, with Alan Stubbs players and Alan Stubbs coaching, we are a shambles. The buck stops very firmly with the managers and coaches on this one. Edited September 2, 2018 by Hendo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Drew said: If you derive a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment from that, just you fill your boots. And what did you get from posting utter shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, nedflanders123 said: As much as we can blame the manager, he is not on the pitch plus these are professional footballers that, if nothing else, should have the basics in how to defend. If they need someone else to explain how to mark a man and defend a set piece then they shouldn't be on the pitch. That's what they are paid for. Good point. Just to add that Hearts Main Target man is a real handful. Huge physical presence. Gave our defence a hard time and created space for Naismith. Lots of learning to be done and the lads need to be quick learners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, faraway saint said: And what did you get from posting utter shite? Wind yer neck in sunshine. It was simply how I read the situation. You are the one who seems intent on turning it into a dick waving contest. You need to find a hobby or two, as opposed to picking petty squabbles with people on here. Edited September 2, 2018 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Drew said: Wind yer neck in sunshine. It was simply how I read the situation. You are the one who seems intent on turning it into a dick waving contest. You need to find a hobby or two, as opposed to picking petty squabbles with people on here. Nice reply, sunshine. Might be better to keep your mouth shut until you KNOW something, eh? Don't like pointing out you post utter shite eh? PS You're the one who turned it into a petty squabble. Edited September 2, 2018 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, faraway saint said: Nice reply, sunshine. Might be better to keep your mouth shut until you KNOW something, eh? Don't like pointing out you post utter shite eh? You're not very bright, are you? Did I claim to know something? The forum is all about people speculating, and expressing opinions. You seem to think you are a voice of reason, when you are just the voice of a sad fud. Anyway, you're boring me now, so it's on ignore you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, Drew said: You're not very bright, are you? Did I claim to know something? The forum is all about people speculating, and expressing opinions. You seem to think you are a voice of reason, when you are just the voice of a sad fud. Anyway, you're boring me now, so it's on ignore you go Oh dear, how mature of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkd Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just listened to Stubbs interview and I'm confused a bit about what he's saying. He says that it's down to individual errors and that they all know who they are so to me that says it's the full team and not a few that are at fault or that the players don't know what there job is or that they don't want to play for him and he knows that. So where does he go from here? Does he rip up his coach book and go back to basics or does he keep doing what he is doing and hope that the team finally click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer john Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 watching that on Sportscene made my eyes bleed. How on earth can things have gone so far wrong since last season? Have we ever been so poor, badly organised and insipid in the top league? If only that Hearts player had been sent off as he deserved to be..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie82 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: In fairness you do like to parade around the forum in your "ITK" clothes. It shouldnt surprise you that guys like norrie and IOBS, who have the combined intelligence of a wet sock, somehow believe you have magical powers. I wouldn’t say a wet sock oaksoft it surprises me why you feel the need to go around spouting utter crap and just having a go at people. It lacks any sort of class and I really do question your intelligence. I am allowed an opinion and I again ask that you just enjoy the opinions and the offer something balanced . Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Franny Fat said: Those seven guys should get their wages docked for ball watching then. We are seeing this every week so why is this not being addressed on the training ground? This suggests the manager is not getting his message across. Is it happening because a) the defenders are simply not good enough, b) they are not taking on board tactics such as who to mark etc hence players looking at each other or c) demotivated and/or frightened of making a mistake? I have no idea but the basics of defending which should be coached in training and team talks is not working. Once the team are on the park the manager can only hope they apply the key tactics. If not then questions need to be asked. Edited September 2, 2018 by nedflanders123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, oaksoft said: Do you remember how many games he went without a win when he went to County? About 8 or 9 defeats if I remember. You keep backing Stubbs to come good and I'll go the other way in that I think he's a dud as I have from the day he was appointed. The funny thing is that I hope you are right Edited September 2, 2018 by lenziebud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dare Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Don’t really need to overthink it - currently our defence is nowhere near good enough and worryingly at the moment we don’t have the personnel to change it either. Last season’s back line wasn’t perfect by any means but it was streets ahead of the shambles that we are currently witnessing on a weekly basis. We urgently need a centre half in the Gary Mac mould ............ Stubbs needs to admit that what he has brought in isn’t the standard required for this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the barrhead teacher Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Regarding the back four, Baird was consistently good when paired with Davis and to a lesser extent Mackenzie. Both players coached, interacted and talked Baird through the game and immensely helped his confidence and play. This year he appears the best on show and is suffering from that lack of leadership. As others have pointed out the recruitment defensively has been Stubbs biggest problem and his immediate challenge to address though coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, the barrhead teacher said: Regarding the back four, Baird was consistently good when paired with Davis and to a lesser extent Mackenzie. Both players coached, interacted and talked Baird through the game and immensely helped his confidence and play. This year he appears the best on show and is suffering from that lack of leadership. As others have pointed out the recruitment defensively has been Stubbs biggest problem and his immediate challenge to address though coaching I believe you have put your finger on a very important point. Jack is still development. A lot on his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: I believe you have put your finger on a very important point. Jack is still development. A lot on his back. Yes and he is up against far better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLBud Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 I believe you have put your finger on a very important point. Jack is still development. A lot on his back. I like Baird. Honest big player, full of aggression, who gives his all. That being said I didn’t see him as anything other than 3rd or 4th choice this year.If he remains one of the mainstays of our defence then we’ll struggle at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Can you imagine. Sacking a manager after four league games. One of which we won, and two of which were at Tynecastle and Ibrox. Indeed the only surprising result was losing at home to Livi, who are clearly quite good and beat Hibs today. We also qualified from the league cup group stage for the first time. I don’t know if Stubbs will be any good or not. To sack him now would be nothing short of bat shit crazy though. If we are 11th or 12th at Christmas he should go. Until then, give him time. The level of vitriol directed at him is utterly bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellV1 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Am I right in thinking we have a “head of recruitment” is he still around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 7 hours ago, FTOF said: 7 hours ago, jaybee said: The board discuss items on the agenda and input into the decisions perhaps but anyone who thinks the owner doesn't make the decisions needs to return to kindergarten to get their nappy changed Not sure what you're getting at here. I thought I was pretty definitive about who 'I think' runs the club and whilst I am sure SMISA have an input as do 'other' directors who do you suppose has the final say? Or are you really one of those who needs a nappy change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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