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St. Mirren v Dunfermline 14th July 2019

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13 hours ago, djchapsticks said:

I think that the suggestion was that club moved the goalposts and not the player as it was another loan deal but with added options and clauses.

We covered Popescu's entire wage last season when he was on loan. There's no real negotiating to be done by a player in that situation, for example he couldn't demand 2 grand a week to come here on loan if his current contract says Dinamo pay him a grand a week.

Different scenario if it's a permanent deal but it wasn't, so I don't see how he could do anything worthy of blame. He gets full reimbursement of his contract regardless of who by and representatives can't negotiate a higher wage than he's on at his parent club.

 

So his Club are asking for some cash to let him leave on loan?

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Yesterday's first half performance was woeful. Improved slightly in the second half, but we still lost!

It reminded me of many Saints teams from a few years ago when we has a large number of inadequate players on the pitch and somehow they retained their position week after week......…………………………………….. resulting in the inevitable relegation.

I too fear for this team if we don't get some new committed players into the dressing room.

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Lots of work to be done.  Hopefully we can somehow find some quality signings - and quickly!  

We need at least 1 centre half that is a decent step above MacKenzie or Baird to compensate.

It's concerning to see Erahahon still playing at LB. He was really poor there last season and the LB position above all else should be top of our priority list for transfer targets.  

Realistically we need at least 6 players.

I feel that Erhahon could do with a loan spell.  Question marks over Kellerman. Heaton - is he still around??

I'd love us to find a player in the Goodwin mould - like MacKinnon at Hamilton.  Signing someone like that may spell the end for Stephen McGinn if his legs are gone. I know he had a tough season last year with injuries so hopefully he's got more in the tank and is perhaps being harshly judged. 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Maboza said:

Lots of work to be done.  Hopefully we can somehow find some quality signings - and quickly!  

We need at least 1 centre half that is a decent step above MacKenzie or Baird to compensate.

It's concerning to see Erahahon still playing at LB. He was really poor there last season and the LB position above all else should be top of our priority list for transfer targets.  

Realistically we need at least 6 players.

I feel that Erhahon could do with a loan spell.  Question marks over Kellerman. Heaton - is he still around??

I'd love us to find a player in the Goodwin mould - like MacKinnon at Hamilton.  Signing someone like that may spell the end for Stephen McGinn if his legs are gone. I know he had a tough season last year with injuries so hopefully he's got more in the tank and is perhaps being harshly judged. 

 

 

 

MacKinnon is a really good shout. How about MacKinnon and Popescu and a decent left back. Might even be safe by Christmas.

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2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Goody reckons five! Seems half of what we need given yesterday's performance!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48987570

That would be the very least amount. 5 quality players would make a massive difference to any team. Whether we can attract the right types in remains to be seen. 

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59 minutes ago, aldo_j said:

Agree with that.

Mac cannot play in a back four, especially with Ethan as his closest full back. The first two goals were from picking that gap between the two.

Actually though we moved the ball ok in the early stages and were seeing far more movement than last season. However, I may have been seeing things in hope, rather than reality! 

Trust me you were........ I was there 

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Having initially been disappointed, I'm now extremely glad we have such a tough start to the season.

The first 3 games are all games that even with a settled side we wouldn't realistically expect to get much from. Effectively buys us an extra 3 weeks to sort this mess out before we start playing the teams that we really need to be beating.

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10 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

How many players do you have to sign before you can be assured you've got 5 quality ones?

The quality required for our league is a relatively low bar. We should be looking for players with first team experience for starters. Obviously there is no guarantee that every signing will work out for the good. 

If we can sign some similar to last season's successes, well then you could class that as quality.  

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9 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

Having initially been disappointed, I'm now extremely glad we have such a tough start to the season.

The first 3 games are all games that even with a settled side we wouldn't realistically expect to get much from. Effectively buys us an extra 3 weeks to sort this mess out before we start playing the teams that we really need to be beating.

My thoughts entirely. Any points from those three games would be a bonus. 

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4 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Now that the dust has settled, and certain posters are trying to "re-imagine" how they slated the team (and some of em' have the cheek to accuse good 'ol LPM of being anti saints). My thoughts are, having let that overall team performance sink in that excepting Hladky (ironic as he could be Offldky) those players on the pitch did not look like they were worried for their place!

they went into that game knowing there was little to no chance of even being subbed, let alone dropped. And it showed in a half-hearted, lazy, last to the loose ball performance.

have some of them already fallen out with the new manager again??? Are we going to see another attempt at  pet-lipped "Player Power" sniping in the media that saw Stubbs sacked by a clueless board?

the bottom line for me is, like last season's team that came up from the championship, the players on the books currently are not good enough to compete in the premiership!

We showed a bit more resilience when Hodson, Anton, Hammill & Jackson joined, We only became competitive after January with the likes of Dreyer, Muzek, Popescu, Corbu and McAllister. Thats NINE players that would, if still here, been joined by Hladky and one other on the pitch yesterday!

Thats the size of the task facing Goody now. The board have f**ked up again royally, and the chairman seems to be blaming everyone but himself for not dealing with (when he himself said it should have been dealt with) Oran the day after the play off final, one way or another.... That's what you call leadership..!

credit to the pars, they had TEN new players in, realising their old guard had their day and released them in May. Even with a Technical Director who were told was employed to ensure the very piss poor situation we are in being unable to field a competitive team wouldnt happen.... we are absolutely shot to f**k for fielding a competitive team. Remember NINE of yesterday's team wouldnt have got a game last season.

I have laughed out loud in sheer frustration each time the "S" (stability) word has been used since May regarding SMFC. If anyone tuned into BT sport yesterday it was obvious that its become a running joke with pundits and the Scottish football scene when they talk of SMFC. This board and Chairman are on their FIFTH manager in less than three years ffs! They have shown themselves to be incapable of establishing the framework at the club to build stability upon!

I actually don't blame the players, I blame their employer for either signing someone obviously not fit for purpose, or completely avoiding dealing with employees that are not performing to the level required. Then using all that as an excuse to sign cheap again.... thus repeating the same mistake over and over again.

As a performance specialist in business and recruitment I had a good laugh when the "MoneyBall" approach to recruiting was brought up. I mean on the face of it it is sound business sense, at least the way its meant to be interpreted that being....

you only recruit players whose value will increase benefitting club performance and success as well as adding value via a sell on at profit opportunity. Thing is though, you have to deal with your current under performing players first, or you risk losing more than you gain as they arent adding value, in fact they detract value from your moneyball recruits. ( Haldky is a good example yesterday, had a good game, but his stats put him losing three goals in his first competitive game of the season).

The board either need to go, or hand over responsibility of what players and manager join or stay at the club to someone/s who will do the full job, and take full responsibility for doing it! We need someone to manage performance across the board, and if someone isnt adding value they go! Not into the reserves wasting time, space as well as money! They go out the door, we stop moving problems from one area to another!

anyone think the shower in the boardroom are capable of the above?

You sir are a sanctimonious prat, someone purporting to support a team that  absolutely loves it when things don't work well and you can then cherry pick comments and phrases from wherever,  irrespective of their validity or not; so long as they fit in with the LPM 'World View', that's fine.  I shan't even bother highlighting ALL the deliberately misconstrued assumptions that you use to justify the drivel you type, prodigious drivel I may say and you do spend a lot of time attempting to ratify the crap you post, very wordy but somewhat short on punctuation. My thoughts are that you simply don't have an understanding of football at this level judging by your constant complaints about the board, the manager, GM, GS, the tooth fairy, sorry getting carried away now. Might I suggest a solution? why don't you support a team like perhaps Celtic or even better Manchester City (they don't get beat very often) and give the people on the forum who DO support St Mirren the chance to discuss games in a REASONABLE manner.  

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3 minutes ago, jaybee said:

You sir are a sanctimonious prat, someone purporting to support a team that  absolutely loves it when things don't work well and you can then cherry pick comments and phrases from wherever,  irrespective of their validity or not; so long as they fit in with the LPM 'World View', that's fine.  I shan't even bother highlighting ALL the deliberately misconstrued assumptions that you use to justify the drivel you type, prodigious drivel I may say and you do spend a lot of time attempting to ratify the crap you post, very wordy but somewhat short on punctuation. My thoughts are that you simply don't have an understanding of football at this level judging by your constant complaints about the board, the manager, GM, GS, the tooth fairy, sorry getting carried away now. Might I suggest a solution? why don't you support a team like perhaps Celtic or even better Manchester City (they don't get beat very often) and give the people on the forum who DO support St Mirren the chance to discuss games in a REASONABLE manner.  

Reasonable manner you say, like calling LPM a sanctimonious prat. 

His punctuation you say. 

WHERE ARE YOUR PARAGRAPHS YE TRUMPET ? 

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So his Club are asking for some cash to let him leave on loan?
More likely wanting us to pay a bigger %age of his wage.

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6 minutes ago, jaybee said:

You sir are a sanctimonious prat, someone purporting to support a team that  absolutely loves it when things don't work well and you can then cherry pick comments and phrases from wherever,  irrespective of their validity or not; so long as they fit in with the LPM 'World View', that's fine.  I shan't even bother highlighting ALL the deliberately misconstrued assumptions that you use to justify the drivel you type, prodigious drivel I may say and you do spend a lot of time attempting to ratify the crap you post, very wordy but somewhat short on punctuation. My thoughts are that you simply don't have an understanding of football at this level judging by your constant complaints about the board, the manager, GM, GS, the tooth fairy, sorry getting carried away now. Might I suggest a solution? why don't you support a team like perhaps Celtic or even better Manchester City (they don't get beat very often) and give the people on the forum who DO support St Mirren the chance to discuss games in a REASONABLE manner.  

And LPM can support St Mirren any way he desires. Feck all to do with you. He is a buddie not a City or Celtic bigot wannabee. 

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1 minute ago, TPAFKATS said:
1 hour ago, magnus said:
So his Club are asking for some cash to let him leave on loan?

More likely wanting us to pay a bigger %age of his wage.

DJ chapsticks felt we had covered his full wage last season?

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46 minutes ago, shull said:

So happy not to give a feck anymore. 

And not to spend and waste hard earned money on shite and corrupt football... 

Feel cleansed. 

I'm happy that you are happy. If you are so disillusioned by"shite and corrupt football" why do you persist in posting on this forum.

I'm sure that there are lots on here who would feel really cleansed if you left.

PS I have had you on ignore for a long time but others keep quoting you!

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5 hours ago, turrabuddie said:

Was not at the game and didn't watch in BT either, but sounds like Erhahon got a roasting at LB.
However, I do not understand why he gets such a hard time on here for poor performances at LB when he is clearly being played out of position. That is the managers fault, and hopefully one mistake he does not repeat.

Who else did Goodie have to play at LB ?  MacPherson is Right footed and not really a FB either...

The lad has done a job for us a LB before (not always great or terrible - he is very young and consistency and match fitness are other relevant factors also)

Problem is the summer chaos we are repeating once more. Take a look at our subs yesterday and you can see why only 1 came on.

It's early days, we are playing catch up, but we need some very good signings - more of the same standard is not going to be good enough...

We wait with baited breath - BOD release the purse strings and lets get a squad in . . .  :turtle  Not sure how losing better quality players and replacing them with lower quality late on in the transfer window is going to help our cause...

Not sure guys like the Dutch CF (13 goals in the 2nd division - e.g. compared to Shankland) is going to be the answer either, but do hope I am wrong...  

 

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9 minutes ago, smcc said:

I'm happy that you are happy. If you are so disillusioned by"shite and corrupt football" why do you persist in posting on this forum.

I'm sure that there are lots on here who would feel really cleansed if you left.

PS I have had you on ignore for a long time but others keep quoting you!

I love the Forum. 

Far more entertaining than watching that shite on a Saturday. 

I could get it for free but I am delighted to pay TEN POUNDS a Season to get an ADVERT FREE FORUM.. 

Why don't you be a Moderator and cleanse the Forum yourself ? I am sure folks will be thrilled with your idea of an exciting Forum. 

Zzzzzzz 

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4 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Wasn't there yesterday but it seems that some well known weaknesses (which I have witnessed) were exposed again....

Erhahon - not a LB.

Mackenzie - legs gone, got the experience but needs to be surrounded by players with pace.

McGinn S - see Mackenzie but to a lesser extent, maybe needs the responsibility of captaincy removed, perhaps it's fortunate that JGs spell as a player didn't overlap with either of SMs..

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Disappointing as yesterday was I'm hoping that the current squad can deal with the minnows (famous last words?) of our LC section.

Of more concern is the amount of time it often takes to bed in new players (4-6 weeks for JR & OK) which might see a whole lotta love knickerwetting at the start of the league season.

As I've said elsewhere - never a dull moment supporting Saints.

I just watched the game and yes first half we didn't look as if we wanted to be there, Erhahon certainly isn't a left back and whilst you can't blame him specifically for all three goals; the lack of a proper defender in that position contributed immensely. S McGinn didn't have a great game but I have noticed that he usually improves as the season progresses. I thought Cooke, Flynn, Hladky and Djorkaeff (when he came on) were good, P McGinn , Baird, Magennis (particularly late on) and Mullen were Ok but the rest struggled ............ for whatever reason.

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