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44 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

So Gus had "absolutely nothing to do" with the signing of any players in January now?

The hole keeps getting bigger and bigger! :lol:

 

Time to put away the shovel.

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16 hours ago, StanleySaint said:

I know it has been asked before but why were Gus and Tony in Spain? Yes modern technology etc would allow them to keep in touch but I'd have thought one or other of them being where they were supposed to be ie at the office as it were would have been preferable, sadly not so we wait for further news.

What..?

and miss out on a freebie..?

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6 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

I'm not arguing with him though!

All I've done is quote him and he's raging about it! :lol:

And its baz who disagrees with his posts regarding this! :lol:

Does it really matter ? I'd say there is more pressing issues regarding the signing of players now. At the end of the day, I couldn't care less where the signings come from or who is responsible for them - my only hope is that they'll improve the team.

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It is quite funny the posters suggesting somehow that its incredibly hard for a football club to sign half decent footballers!

it is so simple to do ffs... people add its harder to get players up to a reasonable standard... what guff..!

the only thing you need to sign a player is the wage/transfer/signing on funds in place, and a telephone. These guys arent hiding in a cave system in Tora Bora..! They want clubs to approach their agent and make an offer. Look at Dun Utd landing Shankland.. they came in late, but fast and direct, met the players expectations on salary... deal done!

our problem is quite obviously MONEY... and not being able to get agents/players to commit on first contact as they feel there is a better deal out there. So we make endless enquiries and are told "is that it? Ok if we dont get a better deal we'll come back to you"

ffs Even Livi can identify and sign players of a decent standard, other than money, are you trying to suggest they are a bigger pull than us?

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5 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

It is quite funny the posters suggesting somehow that its incredibly hard for a football club to sign half decent footballers!

it is so simple to do ffs... people add its harder to get players up to a reasonable standard... what guff..!

the only thing you need to sign a player is the wage/transfer/signing on funds in place, and a telephone. These guys arent hiding in a cave system in Tora Bora..! They want clubs to approach their agent and make an offer. Look at Dun Utd landing Shankland.. they came in late, but fast and direct, met the players expectations on salary... deal done!

our problem is quite obviously MONEY... and not being able to get agents/players to commit on first contact as they feel there is a better deal out there. So we make endless enquiries and are told "is that it? Ok if we dont get a better deal we'll come back to you"

ffs Even Livi can identify and sign players of a decent standard, other than money, are you trying to suggest they are a bigger pull than us?

Excuses to hide we are failing, for whatever reason. 

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our problem is quite obviously MONEY... and not being able to get agents/players to commit on first contact as they feel there is a better deal out there. So we make endless enquiries and are told "is that it? Ok if we dont get a better deal we'll come back to you"
ffs Even Livi can identify and sign players of a decent standard, other than money, are you trying to suggest they are a bigger pull than us?


Sorry LPM but I can’t believe this is true, Sweeper who is clearly ITK, has said we have a massively increased budget this year

Or he did back in June, has been a bit quieter about that recently

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2 minutes ago, foxbar_bud said:

 


Sorry LPM but I can’t believe this is true, Sweeper who is clearly ITK, has said we have a massively increased budget this year

Or he did back in June, has been a bit quieter about that recently

 

TBH he's been a bit quieter since the news broke about Kearney..............................maybe disappointed he wasn't kept in the loop? :wink:

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50 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

TBH he's been a bit quieter since the news broke about Kearney..............................maybe disappointed he wasn't kept in the loo? :wink:

Don't talk shite. :whistle

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1 hour ago, foxbar_bud said:

 


Sorry LPM but I can’t believe this is true, Sweeper who is clearly ITK, has said we have a massively increased budget this year

Or he did back in June, has been a bit quieter about that recently

 

He was mentioning £600k increases at one point...

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2 hours ago, munoz said:

Ok, one more time for bozo- GUS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIGNINGS OF THE EASTERN EUROPEAN LADS SIGNED IN JANUARY, AS PREVIOUSLY (many times) STATED. 

The only hole that appears to be enlarging,  is the one in your head. 

Rather than chucking personal abuse, why don't you simply prove this statement you keep making.

 

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

It is quite funny the posters suggesting somehow that its incredibly hard for a football club to sign half decent footballers!

it is so simple to do ffs... people add its harder to get players up to a reasonable standard... what guff..!

the only thing you need to sign a player is the wage/transfer/signing on funds in place, and a telephone. These guys arent hiding in a cave system in Tora Bora..! They want clubs to approach their agent and make an offer. Look at Dun Utd landing Shankland.. they came in late, but fast and direct, met the players expectations on salary... deal done!

our problem is quite obviously MONEY... and not being able to get agents/players to commit on first contact as they feel there is a better deal out there. So we make endless enquiries and are told "is that it? Ok if we dont get a better deal we'll come back to you"

ffs Even Livi can identify and sign players of a decent standard, other than money, are you trying to suggest they are a bigger pull than us?

It's that simple IF the player wants to come to the club. In foreign players cases that's an added IF. We are just not attractive enough to be able to sign who we want within our price range and we certainly don't want to start paying a premium for players over their worth simply to get them to sign for SMFC.

Paisley is close to Glasgow which is reasonably attractive to live in but as a club players aren't yearning to play for SMFC. There has to be willing on both sides it's not as simple as wave the cash and they will come.

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

the only thing you need to sign a player is the wage/transfer/signing on funds in place, and a telephone. These guys arent hiding in a cave system in Tora Bora..! They want clubs to approach their agent and make an offer. Look at Dun Utd landing Shankland.. they came in late, but fast and direct, met the players expectations on salary... deal done!

our problem is quite obviously MONEY... and not being able to get agents/players to commit on first contact as they feel there is a better deal out there. So we make endless enquiries and are told "is that it? Ok if we dont get a better deal we'll come back to you"

 

Actually I there is clearly a lot of truth in this.

It sounds like we are pursuing players who are out of our price range rather than being realistic.

That's two seasons of this in a row we've had to tolerate now.

We'll get decent players in of course but it might be towards the end of the window when other teams have finished buying. This of course means we risk being the thick end of two months behind our nearest competitors.

Ambition is great. I'm all for it. You need to back it up with a decent plan though.

Edited by oaksoft

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5 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

It's that simple IF the player wants to come to the club. In foreign players cases that's an added IF. We are just not attractive enough to be able to sign who we want within our price range and we certainly don't want to start paying a premium for players over their worth simply to get them to sign for SMFC.

Paisley is close to Glasgow which is reasonably attractive to live in but as a club players aren't yearning to play for SMFC. There has to be willing on both sides it's not as simple as wave the cash and they will come.

The problem is that other teams around us are having no problems recruiting good players so that argument falls a bit flat.

Of course, if Gus and Jim manage to sign some fantastic players in time for the first league match then a bit of humble pie eating will be needed but there's simply no excuse for not having SOME decent players on board beyond what we already have. We might not be Rangers or Celtic but we are not East Stirling either.

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35 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The problem is that other teams around us are having no problems recruiting good players so that argument falls a bit flat.

Of course, if Gus and Jim manage to sign some fantastic players in time for the first league match then a bit of humble pie eating will be needed but there's simply no excuse for not having SOME decent players on board beyond what we already have. We might not be Rangers or Celtic but we are not East Stirling either.

Eh, who are the good players Hamilton, Livi and RC have recruited? I think the players we recruited in Jan are far better than anything they have signed this close season. Lets see who we have signed by end of August then we can assess properly

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34 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The problem is that other teams around us are having no problems recruiting good players so that argument falls a bit flat.

Of course, if Gus and Jim manage to sign some fantastic players in time for the first league match then a bit of humble pie eating will be needed but there's simply no excuse for not having SOME decent players on board beyond what we already have. We might not be Rangers or Celtic but we are not East Stirling either.

Certainly other teams do seem to get players in early but are they any good  ?  There isn't a player that had signed for Livvy or the Accies that I have heard of before so I wouldn't know if they are any good. 

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33 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The problem is that other teams around us are having no problems recruiting good players so that argument falls a bit flat.

Of course, if Gus and Jim manage to sign some fantastic players in time for the first league match then a bit of humble pie eating will be needed but there's simply no excuse for not having SOME decent players on board beyond what we already have. We might not be Rangers or Celtic but we are not East Stirling either.

How do you know that they are good players?

The clubs around us seem to have signed complete unknowns or cast offs from other clubs. Hardly tried and tested.

I do agree that we are setting our sights too high, if our targets are proving unaffordable or simply don't think the club is of high enough quality for them.

On another point. The example used by LPM of Shankland is laughable.

Dundee United are bankrolled by American millionaires. I read on P&B that they had recently invested £600K into their youth system. 

A completely different playing field from us.

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The problem is that other teams around us are having no problems recruiting good players so that argument falls a bit flat.
Of course, if Gus and Jim manage to sign some fantastic players in time for the first league match then a bit of humble pie eating will be needed but there's simply no excuse for not having SOME decent players on board beyond what we already have. We might not be Rangers or Celtic but we are not East Stirling either.
Not disagreeing, but who are the specific good signings that have been made by Accies, Livingston and County for this season ?

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3 hours ago, faraway saint said:
3 hours ago, foxbar_bud said:

 


Sorry LPM but I can’t believe this is true, Sweeper who is clearly ITK, has said we have a massively increased budget this year

Or he did back in June, has been a bit quieter about that recently

 

TBH he's been a bit quieter since the news broke about Kearney..............................maybe disappointed he wasn't kept in the loop? :wink:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Wit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           fun

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         prank

                                                                                                 jest

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Edited by jaybee
trying to be too clever doh!

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2 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

It's that simple IF the player wants to come to the club. In foreign players cases that's an added IF. We are just not attractive enough to be able to sign who we want within our price range and we certainly don't want to start paying a premium for players over their worth simply to get them to sign for SMFC.

Paisley is close to Glasgow which is reasonably attractive to live in but as a club players aren't yearning to play for SMFC. There has to be willing on both sides it's not as simple as wave the cash and they will come.

With due respect it really is that simple for the market we are in. £500 extra than their present deal a week would see most of our targets sign. But if you aint got that budget they will wait to see if simeone else has.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

With due respect it really is that simple for the market we are in. £500 extra than their present deal a week would see most of our targets sign. But if you aint got that budget they will wait to see if simeone else has.

£500 more than what though. Too simple to say "offer any guy £500pw more than they are on just now and they will sign". Many foreign players would accept 300 a week more from a club in their own country rather than uproot to Paisley for what in effect would be an extra 200pw. Global labour markets are very complex and not the simple wave the dosh and they will come you portray.  There is contract length and job security too to factor in.

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2 hours ago, oaksoft said:
3 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

the only thing you need to sign a player is the wage/transfer/signing on funds in place, and a telephone. These guys arent hiding in a cave system in Tora Bora..! They want clubs to approach their agent and make an offer. Look at Dun Utd landing Shankland.. they came in late, but fast and direct, met the players expectations on salary... deal done!

our problem is quite obviously MONEY... and not being able to get agents/players to commit on first contact as they feel there is a better deal out there. So we make endless enquiries and are told "is that it? Ok if we dont get a better deal we'll come back to you"

 

Actually I there is clearly a lot of truth in this.

It sounds like we are pursuing players who are out of our price range rather than being realistic.

That's two seasons of this in a row we've had to tolerate now.

We'll get decent players in of course but it might be towards the end of the window when other teams have finished buying. This of course means we risk being the thick end of two months behind our nearest competitors.

Ambition is great. I'm all for it. You need to back it up with a decent plan though.

Edited 2 hours ago by oaksoft

Sometimes it would appear that some people post on here in isolation without reading anything pertinent to that which they are commenting upon. Now would having more money in the budget enable us to sign better quality players?   Mmmmmmmmmmmm let's have a vote on it, think about it for a few months and then make a decision. I mean talk about stating the obvious! LPM said it, you agreed, wow ! what a pair of geniuses, you should be in charge ............. of something, but not St Mirren, we have our own dummies we don't need more.

 

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1 hour ago, FTOF said:

How do you know that they are good players?

The clubs around us seem to have signed complete unknowns or cast offs from other clubs. Hardly tried and tested.

I do agree that we are setting our sights too high, if our targets are proving unaffordable or simply don't think the club is of high enough quality for them.

On another point. The example used by LPM of Shankland is laughable.

Dundee United are bankrolled by American millionaires. I read on P&B that they had recently invested £600K into their youth system. 

A completely different playing field from us.

Funny that geezer on here swore they were paying Shankland £600k too!

the point remains, did Shankland go to Utd because they are such a successful club? Or because they ponied up the dough?

we seem to be shopping off the reduced to clear shelf, and still struggling to bring anyone in. Its only money that changes things. Most players in our market want a three year deal at a reasonable salary. If you cant offer that then they'll look elsewhere . f**k me there are literally thosands of players available, if you pay them what they are looking for.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Funny that geezer on here swore they were paying Shankland £600k too!

the point remains, did Shankland go to Utd because they are such a successful club? Or because they ponied up the dough?

we seem to be shopping off the reduced to clear shelf, and still struggling to bring anyone in. Its only money that changes things. Most players in our market want a three year deal at a reasonable salary. If you cant offer that then they'll look elsewhere . f**k me there are literally thosands of players available, if you pay them what they are looking for.

Most people might want (debatable) a three year contract at our level but the majority don’t get it. 

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