Speculation Thread

[Eric Arthur Blair 5,206]

2 minutes ago, Transfer news said:

I agree. However King came from Bolton reserves at the age of 23, Kpekawa failed to hold down a place in the same division that Carroll was a regular starter and Heaton was average in the league below Hylton

Well exactly, what are Well doing that we are not?

They're not only getting great service from these guys but they're selling them on for great money eg Moult signed from Wrexham, sold for £500k, Kipre signed from Leicester u23s, sold for £1M, Marvin Johnston signed from Kidderminster, sold for £750k and a further 300K when he moved to Boro, Heneghan signed from Chester sold for £450k...that's only going back two seasons.

[turrabuddie 1,183]

Motherwell showing, yet again, that there are decent players in the English lower leagues and non-league.
Carroll the LB signed from Cambridge Utd and Hylton from Solihull Moors being the stand out so far in tonight's game.

Exactly. There are gems/rough diamonds out there. We just need to find them and convincing then that signing for us is a foot on the ladder for their progression.

Easy to see and say, but not so easy to execute.

[turrabuddie 1,183]

Motherwell showing, yet again, that there are decent players in the English lower leagues and non-league.
Carroll the LB signed from Cambridge Utd and Hylton from Solihull Moors being the stand out so far in tonight's game.

What game tonight?

[turrabuddie 1,183]

What game tonight?

Sorry just seen it.

Seems both Well and Hibs have done most of their business early - Well newbies showing up better than Hibs so far.
Still not seen too much from Accies, County, Livi, and even the Fakes, so maybe we are not so far behind those around us.

[Big Yards 949]

28 minutes ago, turrabuddie said:

Sorry just seen it.

Seems both Well and Hibs have done most of their business early - Well newbies showing up better than Hibs so far.
Still not seen too much from Accies, County, Livi, and even the Fakes, so maybe we are not so far behind those around us.

I very much doubt it!!!

[St.Ricky 6,341]

6 hours ago, turrabuddie said:

Sorry just seen it.

Seems both Well and Hibs have done most of their business early - Well newbies showing up better than Hibs so far.
Still not seen too much from Accies, County, Livi, and even the Fakes, so maybe we are not so far behind those around us.

Balanced and perceptive post. 

[Magic Monkey 4,338]

11 hours ago, Eric Arthur Blair said:

Motherwell showing, yet again, that there are decent players in the English lower leagues and non-league.

Carroll the LB signed from Cambridge Utd and Hylton from Solihull Moors being the stand out so far in tonight's game.

Good shout. Motherwell were excellent, and that boy Hylton looks an amazing find. I like the look of their young striker, too.

Fancy them for a solid 6th/7th this season.

[FTOF 9,612]

Several of these players have a lot of pace and the team have a lot of width.

We currently have no pace at all and no width.

Along with CH, CF, LB these two areas must be sorted before the league campaign starts.

 

[class of 76-77 2,830]

Hylton was available to our ex chief scout two years ago, but he declined the offer. I wonder if said scout will continue to make a rip roaring c**t of his new job at Partick Thistle.

Edited July 20 by class of 76-77

[Isle Of Bute Saint 9,780]

2 hours ago, Magic Monkey said:

Good shout. Motherwell were excellent, and that boy Hylton looks an amazing find. I like the look of their young striker, too.

Fancy them for a solid 6th/7th this season.

Agree with that . Ross County have been scoring goals. Not trying to be despondent I think the bottom three mini league will be Hamilton, Livingston and ourselves. Hopeful we survive then build on that for the following season. Stability is what we need. 

[turrabuddie 1,183]

Agree with that . Ross County have been scoring goals. Not trying to be despondent I think the bottom three mini league will be Hamilton, Livingston and ourselves. Hopeful we survive then build on that for the following season. Stability is what we need. 

Could possibly drag the Fakes into the mini league too of they don't get a good start

[melmac 846]

We will be in danger of doing a Gretna, make no bones about it.

[Isle Of Bute Saint 9,780]

Just now, turrabuddie said:

Could possibly drag the Fakes into the mini league too of they don't get a good start

They have not been getting good results but have a lot of injuries especially in defence.  

[Isle Of Bute Saint 9,780]

1 minute ago, melmac said:

We will be in danger of doing a Gretna, make no bones about it.

What makes you think that ? 

[Sweeper07 3,331]

16 hours ago, aldo_j said:

How do you know we didn’t have the upfront discussion with Longridge and Miller? We probably did, then decided they either weren’t right or offered a deal that wasn’t of interest to them.

So the Dutch lad came over for a day on an EasyJet flight. Again, big deal. It’s all part and parcel of trying to sign players. It’s hardly as if we flew him over on a private jet.

So the time key people spent on Thomas was worthwhile then while we continued to fail to add players to our sparse squad then?  

AND if either player who went to Spain wasn't right - might it have been better to find that out at Ralston and have the Spain camp weeks later when we actually had a squad to build together?  😨

[aldo_j 1,871]

10 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said:

So the time key people spent on Thomas was worthwhile then while we continued to fail to add players to our sparse squad then?  

AND if either player who went to Spain wasn't right - might it have been better to find that out at Ralston and have the Spain camp weeks later when we actually had a squad to build together?  😨

Plans were in place though, made by Oran. I’ve no doubt we wouldn’t be in this situation if we hadn’t changed manager. Can’t exactly cancel the Spain camp just because we’ve changed manager. 

listen to Goody’s most recent interview. Not happy about the lack of pre-season games ahead of the cup. 

Edit: and we can’t exactly have the Spain camp a few weeks later because, eh, we have f**king cup fixtures to play! 

Edited July 20 by aldo_j

[Wendy Saintss 2,517]

listen to Goody’s most recent interview. Not happy about the lack of pre-season games ahead of the cup. 

One of the main reasons given for the launch of the new group stage format was that clubs would be able to replace friendlies with competitive fixtures during the summer!

[FTOF 9,612]

1 hour ago, melmac said:

We will be in danger of doing a Gretna, make no bones about it.

We are nothing like Gretna and never will be.

[Sweeper07 3,331]

48 minutes ago, aldo_j said:

Plans were in place though, made by Oran. I’ve no doubt we wouldn’t be in this situation if we hadn’t changed manager. Can’t exactly cancel the Spain camp just because we’ve changed manager. 

listen to Goody’s most recent interview. Not happy about the lack of pre-season games ahead of the cup. 

Edit: and we can’t exactly have the Spain camp a few weeks later because, eh, we have f**king cup fixtures to play! 

I agree with much of what you are saying and understand there is other stuff that could have been going on too. I think we both have offered valid possibilities as well...

Although we were in Spain the 1st week in July, we played our first match on the 14th - so we could have gone a week later (If we had booked it earlier), but we could also have started pre-season a week or two earlier as well - I know the players and management would not have loved this, especially because the play-offs kept us going so late on this year. I don't know what Dunfermline did, but they surely seem much more together and up-to-speed than us - we must recognise this and improve for the future in this area too.

Goodie has walked into a mess and I still assert that we should have had better things in place, guys to look at and discuss finer details with before jetting them off to Spain. I know theywon't all be willing to be tied down as many want to keep their options open etc. but having some lined up i.e. like we did with Paul McGinn last time is better. It is also rubbish that our new manager did not go to the training camp too.

I hope we play better today, but in only a couple of weeks and we are playing in the league and we have 13 main guys (If we include Tansey - and is he going to get match fit soon?) plus a reserve goalie, Kellerman, MacPherson, and some other younger lads. My worry is Goodie has had 3 weeks and only 2 new signings, plus Lyness - no doubt we have tried with a number of others and in the main it has not proved fruitful so far. P.S. I am not panicking, just highlighting we need things to click into place better than they have been....

All the best to Goodie and the boys - give us the 3 points!!!

Edited July 20 by Sweeper07

[aldo_j 1,871]

21 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 

One of the main reasons given for the launch of the new group stage format was that clubs would be able to replace friendlies with competitive fixtures during the summer!

 

I know...and it’s utterly ridiculous.

[melmac 846]

1 hour ago, FTOF said:

We are nothing like Gretna and never will be.

Relegated before Christmas that is.

[jaybee 1,395]

21 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

22 hours ago, turrabuddie said:

Are you ITK re Hladky being sold this window, or just got a gut feeling ?
If we are selling him will it be too late for JG to reinvest those funds I the team ?

I am in the KFA camp, its a gut feeling he'll go in the window.

hopefully not. 

[Magic Monkey 4,338]

46 minutes ago, melmac said:

Relegated before Christmas that is.

To be fair, despite everything, Gretna still picked up 23 points that season, which, pro rata, and adjusted for three points for a win, is more than Morton managed the last time they were up.

It's also better than Dundee managed last season, and only nine short of our total.

Underlines how gash the league was last year. We are unlikely to be so fortunate again.

[Isle Of Bute Saint 9,780]

2 hours ago, aldo_j said:

Plans were in place though, made by Oran. I’ve no doubt we wouldn’t be in this situation if we hadn’t changed manager. Can’t exactly cancel the Spain camp just because we’ve changed manager. 

listen to Goody’s most recent interview. Not happy about the lack of pre-season games ahead of the cup. 

Edit: and we can’t exactly have the Spain camp a few weeks later because, eh, we have f**king cup fixtures to play! 

I'm sure we would be that's the reason Oran is away the budget could not match Oran's list believe that or not nothing to do with commuting.  Oran still wants back into full time management as has been reported.  Think the accounts are going to make interesting reading in late November. You cant go through the staff we have and not take a hit. 

[aldo_j 1,871]

1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

I'm sure we would be that's the reason Oran is away the budget could not match Oran's list believe that or not nothing to do with commuting.  Oran still wants back into full time management as has been reported.  Think the accounts are going to make interesting reading in late November. You cant go through the staff we have and not take a hit. 

He won’t get back in to full time management. He’s f**ked it now, like Kenny did.