MarkL Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 With such a poor start to the season, lack of goals, poor midfield, lack of squad depth and injury list could we really be involved in a relegation battle? I have to say I think it's a certainly. Unless we seriously strengthen we are in deep trouble Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 With such a poor start to the season, lack of goals, poor midfield, lack of squad depth and injury list could we really be involved in a relegation battle? I have to say I think it's a certainly. Unless we seriously strengthen we are in deep trouble Thoughts? Completely with you on this - it has been obvious from 2 months ago that we are ill prepared - at no point to date has this improved anywhere nearly enough. But many optimists have been promising that by the end of August we will be sorted. Sadly though we are out of a major cup already and 8 points behind in the league. Webster may well improve the defence (if he is fit and playing well) but how we gonna get sufficient goals at the other end. Poor Shankland if he is signing as our only scoring saviour - Maybe we can do the impossible - But I suspect miracles will take a bit longer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stmirren#1 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) If we are lucky we may finish 9th Edited August 25, 2015 by Stmirren#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jama Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 With such a poor start to the season, lack of goals, poor midfield, lack of squad depth and injury list could we really be involved in a relegation battle? I have to say I think it's a certainly. Unless we seriously strengthen we are in deep trouble Thoughts? oh ffs the chemist opens at 9am chill out dude it was a cup game the league is our priority we are rebuilding after the last few seasons of dire and will obviously take time rome wasn't built in 1 day sat is massive game for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkL Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Jama our style of play, lack of desire, lack of threat and poor defence is a major cause of concern. If we don't strengthen (I pray we do) we won't make the playoffs and get dragged into the fight at the bottom. There's no point in saying it can't happen. Look at Morton two years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood bud Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 oh ffs the chemist opens at 9am chill out dude it was a cup game the league is our priority we are rebuilding after the last few seasons of dire and will obviously take time rome wasn't built in 1 day sat is massive game for us It's only a cup game?? Did you say that in 2012/2013 season? Shocking performance midfield non existent players not sure if where they are playing. I want murray as manager but he needs to shoulder the blame and sort it out pronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkL Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Tonight was important to build confidence. Now Livi will come to Paisley on Saturday buzzing. We must win on Saturday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jama Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Jama our style of play, lack of desire, lack of threat and poor defence is a major cause of concern. If we don't strengthen (I pray we do) we won't make the playoffs and get dragged into the fight at the bottom. There's no point in saying it can't happen. Look at Morton two years ago and im not disagreeing with you but we are 3 league games in 4 on sat and we are 3 or mabe even 5 players short of a complete team this is where we are now, this is the cause of relegation we all really know where the problem lies with the club and inmho doesn't lie with the manager, he deserves time and i wouldn't be surprised if he was told mid table minimum would do it is a rebuild from top to bottom we all knew this was coming but yes more fight needed and i for 1 after that game expect a reaction, makes sat's game even more important its def how we react to this tonight on sat that will judge how our rather inexperienced team will/can cope throughout the rest of the season but this is where we are now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrie82 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) He has had two moths not long not long enough to go mad yeah? He should however have a plan and he should have a structure or a philosophy on how we will attempt to play. I see nothing I can't see any shape of any actual game plan. Livi and Dumbarton are not even top teams yet both looked sharper and better in possession than us. We are a million miles from being competitive . I can also now say Murray was wrong / we are a million miles behind rangers and hibs but what's worse we can't beat anyone and are having 43 percent possession tonight . It's poor really poor and older heads are our only way out now. Edited August 25, 2015 by norrie82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 He has had two moths not long not long enough to go mad yeah? He should however have a plan and he should have a structure or a philosophy on how we will attempt to play. I see nothing I can't see any shape of any actual game plan. Livi and Dumbarton are not even top teams yet both looked sharper and better in possession than us. We are a million miles from being competitive . I can also now say Murray was wrong / we are a million miles behind rangers and hibs but what's worse we can't beat anyone and are having 43 percent possession tonight . It's poor really poor and older heads are our only way out now. Maybe Murzo should collect butterflies instead. We'll be up the league in jig time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Tonight was important to build confidence. Now Livi will come to Paisley on Saturday buzzing. We must win on Saturday! And so should we. Buzzing for revenge, that is. Time to play them at their own game and get in their faces. And hopefully have a stronger ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 We had a dismal season last year and Ian Murray has been given the job of turning that habit of losing into winning, This is obviously proving harder than he thought and i think he must be given time to get it right. If there is no improvement in the next 4/5 games then i think it is fair to question his ability, it's definitely too soon to write him off already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) With such a poor start to the season, lack of goals, poor midfield, lack of squad depth and injury list could we really be involved in a relegation battle? I have to say I think it's a certainly. Unless we seriously strengthen we are in deep trouble Thoughts? Eh? Thoughts....................panic merchant. Edited August 26, 2015 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Last time we were relegated, we were in a relegation battle in our first 3 seasons down. Its certainly a possibility. However, I actually still think we'll finish top 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Of course back-to-back relegation or becoming the next Dunfermline is a possibility. At the start of the season I openly predicted us to finish fifth behind Sevco, Hibs, Queens and Falkirk - pointing out that clubs like Queens and Falkirk are good solid clubs battle hardened for life in the lower division. I couldn't get a bookie to take a bet that said 'St Mirren to finish fifth', and as someone who doesn't gamble and has been in a bookies three times in my life (twice to use their lavvy), asked on this forum why that was. What is scunnering me is that we have only played Sevco away so far out of the 'four really strong' clubs in this division, and have looked a very poor outfit against other clubs I genuinely, with no hint of Billy Big Baws, thought we could beat - certainly at home. We seem to have painted the away dressing room black and stuck up photos of players to intimidate opponents and create Fortress Feegie? Fcuk sake - maybe signing some decent players in the positions we really needed might work better? Just saying. Better strap yourselves in for a rocky ride folks, but ignore the obvious trolls and at least give Murray some time.... The one thing, possibly the only thing, I am holding onto at the moment is that once upon a time Sir Alex Ferguson was on a really sticky wicket too, and was a baw' hair away from a quick exit at Manchester United. Look how that worked out. Not saying Murray is the next Sir Grumpy Nuts, but the theory is the same... this is no time for a too-early kneejerk reaction and another revolving door management situation. Keep calm and stick with the manager and players. It's all we can do. Ball is in Gilmour, Murray, Spalding, Thommo and Langfield's court.... Need the chairman, manager and senior players to get a grip of this and arrest the apparent slide from being a nine-year top light club to..... who knows what. Edited August 26, 2015 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Certainly looks a possibility at this point. For the third season in a row we've started the season looking unready, we obviously still have the cash left in the budget to make a couple of signings - better hope they're crackers. Re the saviours of our season, it's been my opinion that holding back a bit of the budget to see who becomes available in August is the way to go - but how often has it worked? If my recollections are correct only once back in 2005 when we signed Adam & Sutton just before the deadline - please feel free to correct me (August only). I am coming round to the POV that maybe it's better to get people in as soon as possible and try to hit the season running Edited August 26, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 It was always a possibility, I could never understand the line of thought that some had that relegation from the top flight would somehow be good. I hope that they're enjoying life in the lower league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Certainly looks a possibility at this point. To my mind it looks 100% more of a possibility than it does of being a possibly. However... I still don't think it's remotely possible. I hope this helps? Edited August 26, 2015 by bluto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I firmly believe that we won't be relegated. As such, I am willing to accept that this is a transition season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Of course back-to-back relegation or becoming the next Dunfermline is a possibility. At the start of the season I openly predicted us to finish fifth behind Sevco, Hibs, Queens and Falkirk - pointing out that clubs like Queens and Falkirk are good solid clubs battle hardened for life in the lower division. I couldn't get a bookie to take a bet that said 'St Mirren to finish fifth', and as someone who doesn't gamble and has been in a bookies three times in my life (twice to use their lavvy), asked on this forum why that was. What is scunnering me is that we have only played Sevco away so far out of the 'four really strong' clubs in this division, and have looked a very poor outfit against other clubs I genuinely, with no hint of Billy Big Baws, thought we could beat - certainly at home. We seem to have painted the away dressing room black and stuck up photos of players to intimidate opponents and create Fortress Feegie? Fcuk sake - maybe signing some decent players in the positions we really needed might work better? Just saying. Better strap yourselves in for a rocky ride folks, but ignore the obvious trolls and at least give Murray some time.... The one thing, possibly the only thing, I am holding onto at the moment is that once upon a time Sir Alex Ferguson was on a really sticky wicket too, and was a baw' hair away from a quick exit at Manchester United. Look how that worked out. Not saying Murray is the next Sir Grumpy Nuts, but the theory is the same... this is no time for a too-early kneejerk reaction and another revolving door management situation. Keep calm and stick with the manager and players. It's all we can do. Ball is in Gilmour, Murray, Spalding, Thommo and Langfield's court.... Need the chairman, manager and senior players to get a grip of this and arrest the apparent slide from being a nine-year top light club to..... who knows what. The major difference between Fergie's tough start at Manchester United and Murray's start at St Mirren, is that by that time Fergie had a 12 track record as a manager at St Mirren and Aberdeen and had won 12 titles in 12 years with those two clubs and had beat the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and discovered or improved players like Thomson, Copeland, Fitzpatrick, Abercromby, Stark, Weir, Richardson, Torrance, McGarvey, Leighton, McLeish, Miller, Strachan, McGhee, McDougall, and managed Scotland at a World Cup Final and shown he had the strength of character to overcome a disappointing start at Aberdeen and a few years without trophies there and bounce back and win the league or some cups the following year. In Murray;s two and a half years at Dumbarton they've done lightly better than expected for a part time team in a league with a few other part time teams and teams with a mix of full time and part time players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I firmly believe that we won't be relegated. As such, I am willing to accept that this is a transition season. And here have we the problem with our club. Hang your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think Drew is correct , however , I really can't believe the shit that is being dished up as football. No midfield ! No tactics . Out of their depth I feel . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pass pass pass Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 And here have we the problem with our club. Hang your head. No the real problem is all the negativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 The real negativity comes from the Boardroom. They don't want to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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