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9 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Word is he goes for free in the close season. Hence he never intended to live over here. Piss poor appointment and contract.

 

There's no 'word is'. You  are taking ONE twitter source as your basis here. This is most probably a load of shite. 

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1 hour ago, djchapsticks said:

 

There's no 'word is'. You  are taking ONE twitter source as your basis here. This is most probably a load of shite. 

Really?

you've got the twitter sources, which may or may not be close to the truth...

you've got the fact that Kearney never moved over here....

you've got the fact his contract will, like Stubbs have season end release clauses...

and what will be a silence that speaks volumes from the club not! Publicly stating its all hogwash.

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

Really?

you've got the twitter sources, which may or may not be close to the truth...

you've got the fact that Kearney never moved over here....

you've got the fact his contract will, like Stubbs have season end release clauses...

and what will be a silence that speaks volumes from the club not! Publicly stating its all hogwash.

Twitter source. Singular. Not plural. There is only one twitter feed coming up with this. Anything following this is latching onto the original. 

It was quite an open point of discussion that he wouldn't be moving his family over immediately as his kids schools had started at the point where he took the job. He addressed this directly at the Q&A. 

 Also. Where are these 'facts' that there is a release clause in his contract? 

 

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57 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Twitter source. Singular. Not plural. There is only one twitter feed coming up with this. Anything following this is latching onto the original. 

It was quite an open point of discussion that he wouldn't be moving his family over immediately as his kids schools had started at the point where he took the job. He addressed this directly at the Q&A. 

 Also. Where are these 'facts' that there is a release clause in his contract? 

 

Yes intially he said he wouldnt be moving the family over mid term, which is entirely understandable. However its now end of season, and its obvious he had no intention of ever moving the family over. His appointment, and the way he, and the club approached it always had the air of "Oran's Year Out"....

it was always a personal experience for Kearney, he wasn't committed to SMFC he has basically scratched one off the bucket list by having a go at full time, professional football management, and in the process spending and costing our club a feckin fortune to be, probably at best playing off to stay in this league. There are plenty of us on here bemused at the revolving door to the managers office at SMFC in recent years. We all know we need stability, and give a young manager a chance to build.

unfortunately it seems our board panicked after the Stubbs fiasco, and appointed a guy who just fancied a wee try out at managing us, rather than appointing someone who was committed to the job, the club and learning his trade.

are we such a big club, with infinite resources that we can afford to have a manager fly in, and out for a few days each week? Successful managers at any professional level are the ones who eat, sleep and breathe football 24/7. The facts are its not a job to take if you value quality family time, as the demands to know what's happening at every club in your league make it a seven day a week job.

reference his contract, it was discussed he has the season by season termination clauses like Stubbs. So compo is only the amount due till season end, meaning he will walk for nothing when our last game is played, and we wont pick up any compo if he signs up for Coleraine, or any other Irish super club. If its all confirmed then you'll know we've been had!

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55 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Yes intially he said he wouldnt be moving the family over mid term, which is entirely understandable. However its now end of season, and its obvious he had no intention of ever moving the family over. His appointment, and the way he, and the club approached it always had the air of "Oran's Year Out"....

it was always a personal experience for Kearney, he wasn't committed to SMFC he has basically scratched one off the bucket list by having a go at full time, professional football management, and in the process spending and costing our club a feckin fortune to be, probably at best playing off to stay in this league. There are plenty of us on here bemused at the revolving door to the managers office at SMFC in recent years. We all know we need stability, and give a young manager a chance to build.

unfortunately it seems our board panicked after the Stubbs fiasco, and appointed a guy who just fancied a wee try out at managing us, rather than appointing someone who was committed to the job, the club and learning his trade.

are we such a big club, with infinite resources that we can afford to have a manager fly in, and out for a few days each week? Successful managers at any professional level are the ones who eat, sleep and breathe football 24/7. The facts are its not a job to take if you value quality family time, as the demands to know what's happening at every club in your league make it a seven day a week job.

reference his contract, it was discussed he has the season by season termination clauses like Stubbs. So compo is only the amount due till season end, meaning he will walk for nothing when our last game is played, and we wont pick up any compo if he signs up for Coleraine, or any other Irish super club. If its all confirmed then you'll know we've been had!

Who's been "had" and how ? 

If that's the type of contract he was offered and signed (and none of us know what his contract says it's all made up) then it would appear that in your scenario OK would be perfectly entitled to exercise his right under that contract so not seeing how any one will have been "had" in the situation you imagine.

I presume you are saying you would rather we gave extended contracts with no clauses where we would need to pay big compensation payments if things were not working out ???

 

All hypothetical nonsense anyway lets get right behind OK and the team tonight and see where we are. I have a hunch a good few are itching for us not to win tonight to enhance their anti OK / board agenda but I will back any manager ahead of a crunch game rather that sitting as a kangaroo court before a ball is kicked.

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47 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

Who's been "had" and how ? 

If that's the type of contract he was offered and signed (and none of us know what his contract says it's all made up) then it would appear that in your scenario OK would be perfectly entitled to exercise his right under that contract so not seeing how any one will have been "had" in the situation you imagine.

I presume you are saying you would rather we gave extended contracts with no clauses where we would need to pay big compensation payments if things were not working out ???

 

All hypothetical nonsense anyway lets get right behind OK and the team tonight and see where we are. I have a hunch a good few are itching for us not to win tonight to enhance their anti OK / board agenda but I will back any manager ahead of a crunch game rather that sitting as a kangaroo court before a ball is kicked.

Which saints fans do you know who are 'itching' for us not to win tonight? That mate is just bollocks style deflection. Because a poster has a different view to you they must be willing the team to get beat? Ffs what tosh.

if Kearney does walk the issue is with the board selecting someone who only fancied a wee go at it, rather than someone who wanted to learn and build a side. We will be no better than Dundee if Kearney is offski, a rudderless ship captained by idiots.

anyone who wanted a manager signed who would stay and build will have been had if Kearney goes. Are you suggesting we carry on having two managers a season and just hope something good happens?

very happy with clauses that mean we arent liable to pay up two or three years wages if a manager is sacked, as long as you give them to a managet who is committed to staying the course and not just having a wee go at it.

wasnt impressed with the choice of a part time manager from a real diddy league getting the job, his win rate is woeful, but if he keeps us up any way he can was more than happy for him to stay on and build.

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50 minutes ago, Gordon Urquhart said:

Feeling quietly confident about this one. This is bad....

Feeling Accies start the game already with the result that suits them and will sit deep, frustrate, and hit us on the break and set pieces!

we haven't achieved it this season, but tonight we really need to find ways to open up a team, and create havoc! Thats why i would start Nazon & Cooke to be real pigs in the defenders faces. Then bring the Hobbits on to see out a win, or change it up.

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We could win next 2 and still finish 11th, part of me wished that Well and Fakes had drawn as Fakes already have 7th sewn up, in saying that Dundee are already down. But look at Cardiff Sat ?

End of day , we need a big performance tonight, Accies look better upfront we look better in Midfield and in Goal.

Ladbrokes called it for me when I passed their window, 2-1 Saints which incidently is 15/2

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

Which saints fans do you know who are 'itching' for us not to win tonight? That mate is just bollocks style deflection. Because a poster has a different view to you they must be willing the team to get beat? Ffs what tosh.

if Kearney does walk the issue is with the board selecting someone who only fancied a wee go at it, rather than someone who wanted to learn and build a side. We will be no better than Dundee if Kearney is offski, a rudderless ship captained by idiots.

anyone who wanted a manager signed who would stay and build will have been had if Kearney goes. Are you suggesting we carry on having two managers a season and just hope something good happens?

very happy with clauses that mean we arent liable to pay up two or three years wages if a manager is sacked, as long as you give them to a managet who is committed to staying the course and not just having a wee go at it.

wasnt impressed with the choice of a part time manager from a real diddy league getting the job, his win rate is woeful, but if he keeps us up any way he can was more than happy for him to stay on and build.

None thankfully - I never said I did know any but as usual that doesn't stop you skewing folks words !!! hunch was my exact word - a million miles from knowing !

So if we go down will you want him out ? 

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23 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

None thankfully - I never said I did know any but as usual that doesn't stop you skewing folks words !!! hunch was my exact word - a million miles from knowing !

So if we go down will you want him out ? 

Short answer yes! He's had a fortune to spend and if relegated that would all have been for nothing. If we stay up he has earned the right to rebuild us. Would love the stability of the manager staying, but if he cant keep us up, and we havent really improved under him then we need someone who can build.

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4 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Yes intially he said he wouldnt be moving the family over mid term, which is entirely understandable. However its now end of season, and its obvious he had no intention of ever moving the family over. His appointment, and the way he, and the club approached it always had the air of "Oran's Year Out"....

it was always a personal experience for Kearney, he wasn't committed to SMFC he has basically scratched one off the bucket list by having a go at full time, professional football management, and in the process spending and costing our club a feckin fortune to be, probably at best playing off to stay in this league. There are plenty of us on here bemused at the revolving door to the managers office at SMFC in recent years. We all know we need stability, and give a young manager a chance to build.

unfortunately it seems our board panicked after the Stubbs fiasco, and appointed a guy who just fancied a wee try out at managing us, rather than appointing someone who was committed to the job, the club and learning his trade.

are we such a big club, with infinite resources that we can afford to have a manager fly in, and out for a few days each week? Successful managers at any professional level are the ones who eat, sleep and breathe football 24/7. The facts are its not a job to take if you value quality family time, as the demands to know what's happening at every club in your league make it a seven day a week job.

reference his contract, it was discussed he has the season by season termination clauses like Stubbs. So compo is only the amount due till season end, meaning he will walk for nothing when our last game is played, and we wont pick up any compo if he signs up for Coleraine, or any other Irish super club. If its all confirmed then you'll know we've been had!

Absolute fantasy, speculation and guesswork. The lot of it. 

You might hit the mark on some of this, you might not. It will purely be by luck rather than knowledge if you do, though. 

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6 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Absolute fantasy, speculation and guesswork. The lot of it. 

You might hit the mark on some of this, you might not. It will purely be by luck rather than knowledge if you do, though. 

Beat me to it

 

LPM's twilight zone in full swing

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12 minutes ago, renfrew said:

Gerard hasn't moved his family north to Glasgow either so assuming he's not committed to his job at Ibrox emoji23.png Lennon will be please to hear that emoji23.png

You are far too logical for LPM . . .

He is not able to consider different perspectives to the negative ones he conjures up . . . :cheers

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Would throw the Duck in tonight. We’re needing something different up top, maybe a bit of flair. Decent work rate just ain’t cutting it as much as I like Jackson and Mullen. The big mans been unspectacular but I think he’s got a moment of magic in him.

Lyons out. Magennis in. Flynn being fit of course.

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1 minute ago, turrabuddie said:
6 hours ago, Gordon Urquhart said:
Feeling quietly confident about this one. This is bad....

I know exactly what you mean. Never feel comfortable if I have a good feeling. Never a good sign...

I'll balance it out by saying I actually don't have a great feeling about it. 

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