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2 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

You missed one... Is there a vacancy to fill 

Given that there are lots of sources saying either he was interested to talk  or has spoken with them,   I’d say the board need to be at least drawing up a shortlist of potential candidates if he does go. 

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6 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:

I think JR is probably the best option currently available to us.

On the other hand - a number of questions have to be asked.

  • Does JR want to return to St Mirren?
  • If he does, how long would he stay for?
  • Would his pride allow him to return?
  • Can we afford him?
  • Would most of the fans welcome him back?

I guess it would dent his pride a bit to come back but I think he would be smart about it and look at a manager he respects a lot in Derek McInness. He had to go down a division just to get back in the game. Jack would be joining a top 6 premier league club.

We are in a very different position to when he left us so it wouldn't be completely going backwards. 

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5 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

You missed one... Is there a vacancy to fill 

Point taken - I would certainly prefer JG to stay with us until at least the end of this season particularly in view of his recent signings.

However, it is is reasonable to surmise at this stage that this looks unlikely.

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On the subject of Jack Ross returning as Manager if Jim Goodwin was to leave..  I'd say this..  Jack really got on my tits the way kept raiding the shelf's at our club like he was a contestant on Supermarket Sweep filling his trolley. 

Would I want him back.... Yes why not...  being ruthless is a good trait for a football manager,  There was no one more ruthless than Sir Alex Ferguson just ask Jim Leighton 

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1 hour ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

IF Goody goes we’d have to be realistic about the managerial quality that’s out there and within our budget .

Should the club decide to approach JR and he accepted, I wouldn’t be anti that. I certainly don’t subscribe to the “snake” brigade. The man made a decision which he thought would benefit him, his family and his career and it didn’t work out as he would have hoped so if he is appointed, I wish him well. 
 

Players leave and sometimes return , why not a manager ? 

It wasn't the departure itself, it was the manner in which he did it. The man then proceeded to raid the 'family jewels' as it were. I wouldn't let him near the place.

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If you were an Aberdeen fan, would you prefer Goodie or Jack Ross? The Dons fans I’ve spoken to would prefer Jim, but they also like to wind me up about Saints.  Will the reported £250k release clause for Goodie be a significant factor? I hope so, but doubt it. 
The general consensus seems to be that Jim is going to Aberdeen. The thought of this happening is a real sore one for us all, especially with us starting to look very tasty and settled, looking up the league rather than worrying about teams below us getting beat every week (although I still do that anyway). 

We don’t know for sure if he will be away so can cling on to the fact that he’s not away..,yet. He won’t be in a rush to leave what he’s built here, the team and relationship with the fans. Still think the money and his ‘ambition’ will swing it if he’s offered it unfortunately. Could  also see him doing exactly what Jack Ross did and take some of our players next season, especially Alnwick. 

If he does go, I would be happy with a Jack Ross return. It wasn’t nice watching him come back to take our staff and players but he is a ruthless operator, so we would get that back on our corner. He did a brilliant job for St Mirren before earning his big moves to Sunderland and Hibs. He can only have developed as a manager too and knows our club already. I’m sure if he was successful at Paisley again, most doubters would come back onside with him pretty quickly.
Problem is, I don’t have a clue if he’d fancy it or not. He’d inherit a great squad in a good position for the rest of the season but would he see it is as a step backwards? Could we afford him, possibly with Goodie’s release money?
He could still end up being the Aberdeen manager after all of this torture…

Hopefully we know where we are before the Livvy game, in which a win would be massive for us. 

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3 hours ago, northstbuddie said:

It is beginning to look like JG is on his way out.

Who should replace him?

Would JR be reluctant to return and would he be welcome by the majority of Saints fans?

 

3 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

What have I missed  :blink: 


That’s what I was wondering as well.  
 

All I see is paper noise so far without even the confirmation that Aberdeen have agreed to pay the release clause which would be the pre-requisite for us granting permission to speak. Even then - nothing to suggest JG is first choice. 
 

Seems to be more than a few people thinking this is a done deal without anything to show for it yet. 

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4 minutes ago, Maboza said:

 


That’s what I was wondering as well.  
 

All I see is paper noise so far without even the confirmation that Aberdeen have agreed to pay the release clause which would be the pre-requisite for us granting permission to speak. Even then - nothing to suggest JG is first choice. 
 

Seems to be more than a few people thinking this is a done deal without anything to show for it yet. 

Spotted Goodwin in TJ Maxx trying on a sub zero  polar expedition parka  - it's happening!

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11 minutes ago, buddies1877 said:

Very strange comments going around social media about if jack comes they want reassurances that he won’t just leave.

 

he has every right to decide if he wants to move to a bigger club just like we have the right to punt him if he does a crap job.

 

I like everyone else got annoyed when he was signing our players but that’s him doing his job what he’s paid to do I wouldn’t want him coming here knowing he could get a player in from his ex club that would improve us but deciding it’s not fair on them il just leave him.

 

it’s pathetic from some fans imo.

 

if Jim leaves and jack is the best option out there that wants the job it’s a no brainer get him in.

 

Also, if he leaves it will mean he has been successful and done a good job. Thats the goal here, to appoint a manager who will be successful and do a good job.

90%+ of managers we hire we end up sacking, so lets not pretend that a manager leaving for a bigger club is a bad thing.

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I suspect I’m like many other contributors, in as much I would really prefer Jim Goodwin to stay, then move at a future date (which he will), however, I think there is a lot of “primacy and recency” being displayed here.  Currently we are sitting 6th (woo hoo), and actually capable of hitting the top 4 (sorry for sounding a bit Tony Fitzpatrick.)  However, we did have a fairly shocking run mid-season where we couldn’t win, or even score.  But what is impressive, is that JG wanted to play a 3-5-2, and persevered with that until Christmas.  Post the break, Jim analysed what had happened, and changed his tactics, went to a flat back 4 and we went on a phenomenal run, and now sit 6th.

The board stuck with him – and were rewarded.  JG wouldn’t necessarily have got that time elsewhere.  He also had a shocking run last season too.

If Jim is offered the Aberdeen Job, and decides to take it, we are a much better proposition to a potential new manager than we have been for a long time.  I just hope, if Jim leaves, the board don’t f**k it up and appoint an Alex Rae clone.

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It's been widely reported that Aberdeen are intending to interview a shortlist of at least four potential candidates. This means there will be at least three, probably experienced, others who will cost nothing to get them in place. I don't understand why so many have taken the paper talk as gospel. I for one intend to wait and see and don't really expect JG to be heading north unless it's to take a team to play against the Dons etc.

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41 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

It's been widely reported that Aberdeen are intending to interview a shortlist of at least four potential candidates. This means there will be at least three, probably experienced, others who will cost nothing to get them in place. I don't understand why so many have taken the paper talk as gospel. I for one intend to wait and see and don't really expect JG to be heading north unless it's to take a team to play against the Dons etc.

I wouldn’t conclude that because they are out of work that Aberdeen might have to pay out to terminate some contractual agreements they might have with their previous employer. The case of the guy Howe and Celtic comes to mind.

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4 hours ago, saint in exile said:

It wasn't the departure itself, it was the manner in which he did it. The man then proceeded to raid the 'family jewels' as it were. I wouldn't let him near the place.

As Fergie did before him and Goodie, if he goes. 

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