Frank McGarvey' wonky legs Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 As the title says, there is little point in bringing the boy to the club if he gets 15-20 minutes each week. An instinctive striker who knows where the goals are. Would play him in a front two with Cal Gallacher to give us some pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltcoatsbuddie Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 murray waited all summer for him,then deems him only good enough for last ten minutes of games ,,tactical genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Aberdeen must also be questioning the wisdom of sending him on loan if he is getting almost no game time at Championship level in a team crying out for a goalscorer sitting in 8th place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 He'll be recalled by aberdeen in January. Ian Murray is a clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yes, this situation is utterly ludicrous. Possibly above all others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I agree. Perhaps even with the chance to link with Thomson as an option, can you imagine , an option ??!!!???!! Presenty we are completely destroying Thomson .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I agree. Perhaps even with the chance to link with Thomson as an option, can you imagine , an option ??!!!???!! Presenty we are completely destroying Thomson .......... It's an option considering the only crosses that would come in Would be his exceptional long throw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 100% agree, You only have to look at the short spells the boy is on the park to see the difference it makes. He was only on the pitch 10 mins on Saturday before he smacked the post. Puts himself about, holds the ball up well, and shoots on sight. Let's leave him on the bench. Smart move Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Totally agree.Murray spent all those months waiting for Shankland and hardly plays him. It doesn't make any sense, like many of Murrays decisions. And I would not be surprised if Aberdeen do recall him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 What's the point in the boy being here if he's not going to be given a proper chance to shine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie88 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 As everyone above has already mentioned, couldn't agree more. It baffles me how Thommo Keeps getting the nod ahead of Lawrence, shankland does more on the pitch the 10-20 mins that he gets that Thommo does the full 90mins. When shankland comes on we have a genuine goal threat, unsurprisingly we continue to lose games without him. Someone like Lawrence helps by lifting the crowd, but what's the point coming off the bench when the game is done. Gallagher and Shankland must start against The Ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 As everyone above has already mentioned, couldn't agree more. It baffles me how Thommo Keeps getting the nod ahead of Lawrence, shankland does more on the pitch the 10-20 mins that he gets that Thommo does the full 90mins. When shankland comes on we have a genuine goal threat, unsurprisingly we continue to lose games without him. Someone like Lawrence helps by lifting the crowd, but what's the point coming off the bench when the game is done. Gallagher and Shankland must start against The Ton. We have previous in this regard. We chased Adam Drury... 'The one we've been waiting for' I think the manager said. Then either don't play him, or play him out of position. Perhaps a good moment to bring up a name like Sanoupe... Is the kid off suicide watch yet? Gets thrown in for limited game time, when we are already two or three down, shoved out wide in a team heading down the U Bend. We either don't play guys who deserve a berth over some who always get one no matter how little they are producing... or we play them out of position, or we give them ten minutes, or we shove them on when it's a lost cause. Is it too much to ask that we employ a manager who knows his best starting XI, has a clear gameplan, can make meaningful starting personnel decisions and substitutions, and appears able to have us well organised and competitive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Why play Shankland in a front two at all? I would play Shankland, Gallagher and the Hawk in a front three. If one is unsure as to the wisdom of this then may I refer you to a video on youtube video called "the bubble didnae burst". You will see Tom Hendrie's team play weekly with a front three and by my jibletty sandwiches they were succesful. If I again see one striker at home against a part time team I will skelp the halfwitted bugger with my walking stick. Edited November 9, 2015 by TediousTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 It's quite heartbreaking to see Thommo's Saints career ending like this as well after everything he has done for us. Thompson should be used as a target man and he needs someone alongside him to do that. It beggars belief how long Murray has continued with one up front when it was clear after the season opener that it didn't work and that Thompson couldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 It's quite heartbreaking to see Thommo's Saints career ending like this as well after everything he has done for us. Thompson should be used as a target man and he needs someone alongside him to do that. It beggars belief how long Murray has continued with one up front when it was clear after the season opener that it didn't work and that Thompson couldn't do it. Totally. Imagine for one second expecting him to be a lone striker ffs. Thommo should be told to stay as a centre forward , not to move left or right, leave the wide balls for the wide players................... oh I see a problem there............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocky Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why play Shankland in a front two at all? I would play Shankland, Gallagher and the Hawk in a front three. If one is unsure as to the wisdom of this then may I refer you to a video on youtube video called "the bubble didnae burst". You will see Tom Hendrie's team play weekly with a front three and by my jibletty sandwiches they were succesful. If I again see one striker at home against a part time team I will skelp the halfwitted bugger with my walking stick. Sorry Tom, but I have to disagree Defensively, we are a horror story just now, and even if we scored a goal or two more here and there would we win points. I can't help feel we need to bolster the midfield, to not only help the defence but to try and retain the ball a bit more. I'd be happy to play Shankland or Gallagher on their own up front, and bring in a midfielder to allow Agnew to drift up the park a bit more. I think Thommo is done at this level. I also think McMullin is currently way out of sorts and I'm sorry, but Webster just isn't doing enough, content to always look for a pass to our keeper. We do have problems, more than can be quickly fixed, but I would try and shore up the back rather than play the three "strikers" up front. It may not be pretty, but hopefully that's what Mr Miller's there to assist with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Team selections don't really matter at the moment, as we don't really have any discernible game plan or style of play. Non existent/extremely basic tactics are the problem, until they are sorted then doesn't matter who plays. We've played about 4 or 5 different formations this season, and not one has been carried out effectively. The players don't seem to know what their roles are. Blame lies with management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Sorry Tom, but I have to disagree Defensively, we are a horror story just now, and even if we scored a goal or two more here and there would we win points. I can't help feel we need to bolster the midfield, to not only help the defence but to try and retain the ball a bit more. I'd be happy to play Shankland or Gallagher on their own up front, and bring in a midfielder to allow Agnew to drift up the park a bit more. I think Thommo is done at this level. I also think McMullin is currently way out of sorts and I'm sorry, but Webster just isn't doing enough, content to always look for a pass to our keeper. We do have problems, more than can be quickly fixed, but I would try and shore up the back rather than play the three "strikers" up front. It may not be pretty, but hopefully that's what Mr Miller's there to assist with. You are entitled to disagree my forum chum, entitled indeed. With three up front however we might actually manage to retain posession further up the field. With one up front we are losing posession constantly and that is only adding to our defensive woes (See Div's well written article on the home page of this website). We need to remember that this is only the Championship, it is not a particuarly high level so why are we so negative in out tactical approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie-dee Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 We need to remember that this is only the Championship, it is not a particuarly high level so why are we so negative in out tactical approach? Could it be because our present manager does not know how to put a attacking minded football team together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Nothing new in this. Craig did it, Lennon did it. We bring in these 'ones we've been waiting for' and either they bomb or we leave them on the bench. It's the St Mirren way, don't you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Nothing new in this. Craig did it, Lennon did it. We bring in these 'ones we've been waiting for' and either they bomb or we leave them on the bench. It's the St Mirren way, don't you know? Aye, Aaron Mooy being a prime example. Home sick? No wonder when all he had to distract him was a f**king exercise bike! MacPherson did it, too. Notably with John Baird and Rory Loy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Did we not do the same with Rory Loy waited ages to get him then gave him almost no game time at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Be realistic. It's likely that if IM responded positively to the pleas for more game time for Shankland, then he'd play him at right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Did we not do the same with Rory Loy waited ages to get him then gave him almost no game time at all. No, Loy was signed to sit on the bench ahead of our U-19 players. Edit - Sorry but I was feeling nostalgic for the internet spats of a past era - gary blues where are yues? Edited November 9, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieT Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Shankland came on the park and immediately looked more dangerous than Thompson had been all game. He's strong and direct and not scared to put in a challenge. A captain should surely look to contribute on the park. Shankland and Gallacher partnership is the way forward for me. Murray started the campaign with Thompson up front on his own, coupled with a six man defence. What an enormous space between front and back with no midfield support. He has then spent the interim toying with the midfield and is still clueless as to the best formation and personnel. At least he now plays two upfront...until we score that is then backs to the wall defending a slender lead for the remainder of the game.....Murray has got to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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