nedflanders123 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Do you think we can afgord to sign players, realise they arent up to it, and still carry part of their cost by putting out on loan..? the manager needs to be more selective in recruitment, thats actually his job! Whats the point in dishing out contracts to players you ship out on loan? He has a few strikers now that he doesn't fancy, all costing money and preventing him from recruiting players who he may actually play. A lot of players in our price bracket fail to succeed at clubs. Any player is a gamble and some have cost English PL teams multi millions in that failure. Jack, like any manager, will have his share of players who don't fit or suit post transfer but looking at his record there are far more successes than failure. Were you critical when he brought Gavin R to the club? Some of the other recent signings are longer term. If they reach the potential that Jack sees them great, if not then they will find pastures new. Quote
pod Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: No one has said that, but this manager seems to be unable to identify strikers he actually wants to play once he's signed them. Duffy, Stewart, Hilson.... now its preventing him adding players he may actually play. Isn't that maybe down to luck that we haven't been plagued with injuries or suspensions, where we might have required to use them. Quote
Lord Pityme Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said: Do you think we/JR have some sort of exclusivity on signing players that don’t work out and have to be carried until they can be shipped out? No, but why so many in the same positions? Panic/unresearched buying..? Quote
elvis Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 That's McCart away back to Celtic now. Quote
Lord Pityme Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, pod said: Isn't that maybe down to luck that we haven't been plagued with injuries or suspensions, where we might have required to use them. But we have had injuries and suspensions, not up front so much. The question for me is why has he signed way too many forwards for the first team squad who he realises he darent play? Quote
pod Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 How times have changed. I remember when we couldn't get enough strikers. Quote
David Mc Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 No, but why so many in the same positions? Panic/unresearched buying..? Being unable to shift Sutton and taking a cheap chance with Duffy as no funding as a result? Quote
shull Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) At the point of signing no player is a dud. Apart from Samson. Even Elliot seemed a great prospect. Edited December 28, 2017 by shull Quote
St.Ricky Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Posted December 28, 2017 Dud is an emotive and pejorative word to use to describe a player who didn't manage to push their way into the reckoning for the first team and bench. I prefer to call it unfulfilled potential even where an experienced player is signed. One example for me was Harkins when he was with Saints and Duffy may well be his present day equivalent. Sometimes things just don't work out. That's the same in football as in life. Blame. ...not worth thinking about. Quote
shull Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 Dud is quicker to type than unfulfilled potential. And in Samson's case, fits perfectly. Did anybody see Dobbie's goal on Saturday? Quote
St.Ricky Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, shull said: Dud is quicker to type than unfulfilled potential. And in Samson's case, fits perfectly. Did anybody see Dobbie's goal on Saturday? Pragmatic as always! Only on TV Quote
Tommy Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: No one has said that, but this manager seems to be unable to identify strikers he actually wants to play once he's signed them. Duffy, Stewart, Hilson.... now its preventing him adding players he may actually play. Unable to identify a striker Who is it he signed that had nearly scored 20 goals this season for us so far ? We average 3 goals a game from January last season and been averaging 2 goals per game this season You can go and argue with yourself in front of a mirror Quote
David Mc Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 No one has said that, but this manager seems to be unable to identify strikers he actually wants to play once he's signed them. Duffy, Stewart, Hilson.... now its preventing him adding players he may actually play. Hilton’s out of contract and Stewart’s out on loan. Mullen is in before the window opens. Your point about preventing us signing players is exactly what? Quote
Ronnie Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 Dud is quicker to type than unfulfilled potential. And in Samson's case, fits perfectly. Did anybody see Dobbie's goal on Saturday? I did great goal from a really good football player. Nothing keeper could have done right in bottom corner. Quote
WeeBud Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, renfrew said: Unable to identify a striker Who is it he signed that had nearly scored 20 goals this season for us so far ? We average 3 goals a game from January last season and been averaging 2 goals per game this season You can go and argue with yourself in front of a mirror Have to take issue with you here Renfrew, why would you only mention Reilly......what has Cammy Smith ever done to upset you and not get a mention as a striker identified by JR. Nah, you're probably right, he's only joint second top scorer in the Championship. Quote
Sonny Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: Thats not the case, Sutton is on the bench every week, Duffy aint! You are right about John being on the bench every week - two starts in the first two games of the season then dropped since then to warm the bench and only making occasional sub appearances. Twice Duffy and Sutton were on the bench and Duffy came on and Sutton did not. That is quite a telling point to me as to where John is in the pecking order. The Club has tried to unload him before now. A situation that does not help anyone as Sutton won't get a start unless there is an emergency so he is not pushing anyone that is playing and we need competition for places. Whether fans like it or not Sutton is costing too much to sit on the bench and it is not helping his career. Quote
Sonny Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, WeeBud said: Have to take issue with you here Renfrew, why would you only mention Reilly......what has Cammy Smith ever done to upset you and not get a mention as a striker identified by JR. Nah, you're probably right, he's only joint second top scorer in the Championship. 5 of the top 14 strikers in the Championship are St Mirren players. The Arabs have 1 in the top 14 Quote
WeeBud Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sonny said: 5 of the top 14 strikers in the Championship are St Mirren players. The Arabs have 1 in the top 14 God, we're shite at identifying players with an attacking slant!! Quote
Anybuddie Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 Just a thought but what bout Calvin Miller, young Celtic left bk as emergency loan cover for Adam Eckersley or we happy enough Stelios will keep the heid! Hearts fans raving about Brandon wonder if they’d let L Smith go for a nominal fee Quote
Lord Pityme Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, renfrew said: Unable to identify a striker Who is it he signed that had nearly scored 20 goals this season for us so far ? We average 3 goals a game from January last season and been averaging 2 goals per game this season You can go and argue with yourself in front of a mirror I am more than happy to agree Reilly was a great signing. To move forward Ross and those who believe he gets everything right need to accept he has chosen badly as well, and tied up wages we could have utililsed to greater effect. Quote
Lord Pityme Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, David Mc said: Hilton’s out of contract and Stewart’s out on loan. Mullen is in before the window opens. Your point about preventing us signing players is exactly what? He needs them out before he can replace them, he signed them tied up wages and prevented himself from signing others. Quote
Lord Pityme Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 You know you've hit the 'sweet spot' of denial when so many seem unable to accept so small an observation. Referencing the club website first team squad forwards it shows of the seven forwards listed, Ross only plays two, of the rest, one is injured (again) and one he didnt sign. The numbers speak for themselves. Quote
rabuddies Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: need to accept he has chosen badly as wel Name names please. Quote
stlucifer Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: You know you've hit the 'sweet spot' of denial when so many seem unable to accept so small an observation. Referencing the club website first team squad forwards it shows of the seven forwards listed, Ross only plays two, of the rest, one is injured (again) and one he didnt sign. The numbers speak for themselves. I would argue that those who don't accept your slant are taking a fuller look. You seem intent on wholly concentrating on those who don't play and assuming Ross thinks them all duds. I think young Stewart has been loaned out to gain experience and is in Jack's plans for the future. Quote
ged62 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Posted December 28, 2017 At the point of signing no player is a dud. Apart from Samson. Even Elliot seemed a great prospect. Coming from the taxi driver that’s got to use a sat nav.......you dud [emoji12] Quote
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