Lord Pityme Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, billyg said: Also budgeting in TV money and Increased home crowds this season. Does that take it to near ,or over 3m ? I was only counting whats in the kitty so far, but yes they would be higher, but then so would police/stewarding costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: 100k to 150k for Ross. . So either Jack Ross was your hero and to quote a phrase 'you think he's worth it' or you think he wasnt worth tuppence h'penny? the thorny path of unrequited ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original 59er Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 11 hours ago, St.Ricky said: Despite appearances, I am not an appologist for Allan Stubs. But, come on guys be reasonable. Give the guy a break. There is enough pressure on him to build a decent squad and build the team spirit and get players to have confidence in him. All in the long shadow of Sir Jack of Ross. He apparently could do no wrong. It can't happen but it would be interesting to think what míght things be liked if he stayed? Would we have beaten Dundee. Would we have beaten Rangers? Would we have beaten Libby (we didn't in the last two games against them in the Championship)? Would we have lost as heavily to Aberdeen? The answer to the last one is possibly not since we didn't reach that stage in the competition last year. When we did play them I seem to recall that they scored 4 against us. In answer to the above; "When we did play them I seem to recall that they scored 4 against us. " - at least we had shots on goal and scored some last year! The wider issue that concerns me here is the fact that our signings seem to have been random and (on the face of it) unplanned. I accept that the move up from the Championship to the PL necessitated a change in personnel in certain areas, but unless you can be assured that the replacements are better than the ones that are going, then don't throw the bath water out too early! In a perfect world you have a system where you (as Manager) presumably see a gap in the team set up and discuss that with the coach, general manager and chairman and then draw up a potential list of target replacements. You attempt to get the best but the 2nd or 3rd targets should still be a better option than what you already have. So far I have seen maybe one possible incomer that gives me hope, otherwise I get the firm impression that the policy has been to sign up players on the back of their agent's videos / best bits (on the field) and on the strength of these clips they have moved to Paisley either on loan or signing up for at least a year and probably two. The agent's clips, by the way, don't show lack of effort, long periods on mundanity, or glaring misses in front of goal. What happened to good old scouting and checking a player out for a few weeks before you made the approach. I would happily draw up dossiers on target players, watch them perform on the park and comprehensively report on any player that we intended signing. That of course isn't happening with AS and whilst JR could see what he needed to bring in, to achieve the escape and then the promotion, AS hasn't got that same savvy and the recruitment policy has been all over the place. I see a long bumpy ride ahead of us again this season. i.e. a slow ever so painful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsBud Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: Edit: forgot to add the compo received for Ross which is allegedly somewhere between £100-150k... so that means out of £2million coming in, we've spent £75k, plus we have a number of loanees that we will likely not be paying all of each players wages, and the squad is smaller than last season at the moment. But the board insist the manager has to sell before he can buy..! simple question... where's the £2million gone..? I would suggest its more a case of them not wanting to give Stubbs any more money to spend based on the standard of players he has brought in so far. If we've got cash, which we probably do, i wouldn't trust him with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, LargsBud said: I would suggest its more a case of them not wanting to give Stubbs any more money to spend based on the standard of players he has brought in so far. If we've got cash, which we probably do, i wouldn't trust him with it. The alternative of playing half a season with what we have fills me with far more dread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 So either Jack Ross was your hero and to quote a phrase 'you think he's worth it' or you think he wasnt worth tuppence h'penny? the thorny path of unrequited [emoji173]️ Maybe he thinks your talking about Ross Stewart?Anyway noone has mentioned the outgoings on Rice (Brian not basmati). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hambud said: Maybe he thinks your talking about Ross Stewart? Anyway noone has mentioned the outgoings on Rice (Brian not basmati). How much was that? Hope they didnt shower it like confetti..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, LargsBud said: I would suggest its more a case of them not wanting to give Stubbs any more money to spend based on the standard of players he has brought in so far. If we've got cash, which we probably do, i wouldn't trust him with it. Looking at the net result of outgoings and income i dont think he's been given any transfer budget at all! So i ask again? Who is it really driving the signings of non-league, academy, part timers and loanees..? The board have to approve, and indeed inform the manager about any & all business he can or cant do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Edit: forgot to add the compo received for Ross which is allegedly somewhere between £100-150k... so that means out of £2million coming in, we've spent £75k, plus we have a number of loanees that we will likely not be paying all of each players wages, and the squad is smaller than last season at the moment. But the board insist the manager has to sell before he can buy..! simple question... where's the £2million gone..?I am assuming Stubbs is on a bigger wage than Ross.Also same with Jackson compared to Fowler.Rice is an additional wage. Did we pay some compoto ICT for him as well.Stubbs has also brought in an additional physio who is on a higher wage than the existing physio who is still with us.Not suggesting this accounts for £2m but these are additional staff costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeBud Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, TPAFKATS said: I am assuming Stubbs is on a bigger wage than Ross. Also same with Jackson compared to Fowler. Rice is an additional wage. Did we pay some compoto ICT for him as well. Stubbs has also brought in an additional physio who is on a higher wage than the existing physio who is still with us. Not suggesting this accounts for £2m but these are additional staff costs. Was Jack Ross not the highest paid manager in St Mirren history?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: I am assuming Stubbs is on a bigger wage than Ross. Also same with Jackson compared to Fowler. Rice is an additional wage. Did we pay some compoto ICT for him as well. Stubbs has also brought in an additional physio who is on a higher wage than the existing physio who is still with us. Not suggesting this accounts for £2m but these are additional staff costs. Pretty sure Rice is Asst Manager. Jackson is first team coach or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: I am assuming Stubbs is on a bigger wage than Ross. Also same with Jackson compared to Fowler. Rice is an additional wage. Did we pay some compoto ICT for him as well. Stubbs has also brought in an additional physio who is on a higher wage than the existing physio who is still with us. Not suggesting this accounts for £2m but these are additional staff costs. Didn't he also have a list of improvements he wanted made at Ralston as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie P Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Didn't he also have a list of improvements he wanted made at Ralston as well?Fix the shoogly peg [emoji4] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley brazilians Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Poor old stubbsy getting it tight already. Was never a fan of his appointment would have preferred the box office kluivert. but stubbsy is hear on the merit that he knows scottish football. kluivert and guitti dont! Stubbs should have looked at the guys doing it in the championship. Halket. lamie. oware all have bags of experience and plenty of game time. thats the defense covered. Midfield was covered maybe have looked for someone who could supply set pieces (we miss mallan for that service). Up front i hear folks talk about quitongo maybe not a bad shout as back-up but our best strikers over the years have been tall guys 16 stone or more who don't get knocked of the ball easily (lavety. Yardley. Higgdon. To name a few) But stubbsy knows all this because he knows scottish football.! Hard fixtures coming up Heart's away on saturday and Celtic at home next week. Don't want to see us getting rid of another manager but also don't want to see a manager go when it's to late. I hope he can turn it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, helpmaboab said: Aw relative tae current costs, so mibae no. Alan wid huv tae bi on mair thun JR since he's a premiership manager wi much mair experience. Thats the problem. he has no experience of the Premier league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6Saint Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Poor old stubbsy getting it tight already. Was never a fan of his appointment would have preferred the box office kluivert. but stubbsy is hear on the merit that he knows scottish football. kluivert and guitti dont! Stubbs should have looked at the guys doing it in the championship. Halket. lamie. oware all have bags of experience and plenty of game time. thats the defense covered. Midfield was covered maybe have looked for someone who could supply set pieces (we miss mallan for that service). Up front i hear folks talk about quitongo maybe not a bad shout as back-up but our best strikers over the years have been tall guys 16 stone or more who don't get knocked of the ball easily (lavety. Yardley. Higgdon. To name a few) But stubbsy knows all this because he knows scottish football.! Hard fixtures coming up Heart's away on saturday and Celtic at home next week. Don't want to see us getting rid of another manager but also don't want to see a manager go when it's to late. I hope he can turn it around. Exactly my thoughts, there would have been enough quality between our squad still left over, with some decent Championship additions with points to prove such as Lamie, Halkett, Williamson, Polworth - take a few weeks to scout a decent quality poacher and Morgan replacement = a far stronger position than we’re in currently... disappointed in the recruitment process, missed opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turrabuddie Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, W6Saint said: Exactly my thoughts, there would have been enough quality between our squad still left over, with some decent Championship additions with points to prove such as Lamie, Halkett, Williamson, Polworth - take a few weeks to scout a decent quality poacher and Morgan replacement = a far stronger position than we’re in currently... disappointed in the recruitment process, missed opportunity. Polworth, weren’t we linked with him recently ? Anyone know if that’s still a possibility, if it ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Was Jack Ross not the highest paid manager in St Mirren history??He may well have been, however Alan Stubbs was a bigger name as a manager and has been given a longer contract to manage us at a higher level succeeding Jack Ross. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Pretty sure Rice is Asst Manager. Jackson is first team coach or some such.Cheers, just swap the two names around when reading my post. [emoji1303] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeBud Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: 2 hours ago, WeeBud said: Was Jack Ross not the highest paid manager in St Mirren history?? He may well have been, however Alan Stubbs was a bigger name as a manager and has been given a longer contract to manage us at a higher level succeeding Jack Ross. So... When it comes to salaries etc I'd assume nothing, I'd wait for the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6Saint Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Polworth, weren’t we linked with him recently ? Anyone know if that’s still a possibility, if it ever was.McShane was involved in the swap deal and wasn’t happy with the proposed drop in wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 When it comes to salaries etc I'd assume nothing, I'd wait for the facts.I'm not sure that we will ever get facts when it comes to managers salaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeBud Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, TPAFKATS said: 55 minutes ago, WeeBud said: When it comes to salaries etc I'd assume nothing, I'd wait for the facts. I'm not sure that we will ever get facts when it comes to managers salaries. I agree, which is why I wouldn't speculate on them and use it as basis to build an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, LargsBud said: I would suggest its more a case of them not wanting to give Stubbs any more money to spend based on the standard of players he has brought in so far. If we've got cash, which we probably do, i wouldn't trust him with it. I would suggest you don't know feck all and are, as usual, just having yet another, yawn, dig at Stubbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) I have a feeling this will be getting more traffic in 90 mins..... this could be double figures Edited September 1, 2018 by DougJamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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