Magic Monkey Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, mcdowell76 said: As I mentioned, Loy was playing for a side on the up and Hardie was playing for a side in free fall. In effect, Loy was playing for a top 3 side and Hardie was playing for a side marooned at the bottom. Therefore I think the description of "far more successful", in terms of the goalscoring comparison, is a tad over the top. The previous season Hardie scored 6 in 10 league games with Raith. Better than Loy managed with St. Mirren. My point here being that I think folk are being a tad hard on Hardie. If Loy had been with us in the first half and Hardie in the second half, I reckon we'd all be talking about how shite Loy was and how great Hardie was. The shite manager and shite team mates that Hardie had in the first half of the season maybe hindered him? Hehe. Hard on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 As I mentioned, Loy was playing for a side on the up and Hardie was playing for a side in free fall. In effect, Loy was playing for a top 3 side and Hardie was playing for a side marooned at the bottom. Therefore I think the description of "far more successful", in terms of the goalscoring comparison, is a tad over the top. The previous season Hardie scored 6 in 10 league games with Raith. Better than Loy managed with St. Mirren. My point here being that I think folk are being a tad hard on Hardie. If Loy had been with us in the first half and Hardie in the second half, I reckon we'd all be talking about how shite Loy was and how great Hardie was. The shite manager and shite team mates that Hardie had in the first half of the season maybe hindered him? Agree Hardie a good bit better than the opinion many on here have of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Blair Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 5 hours ago, mcdowell76 said: The previous season Hardie scored 6 in 10 league games with Raith. Better than Loy managed with St. Mirren. Half of which were against St. Mirren...in one game!!! Loy is the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Agree Hardie a good bit better than the opinion many on here have of him. There is definitely a good player in there somewhere. However, he couldn't hold down a starting place in two very poor teams. For me that says more about his attitude than his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Loy's contribution wasn't just goals though, he got a few assists and was involved in almost all our positive forward play. He was a vital part of a hard working front line. He and Smith together pressed defenders, stopped teams playing out from the back and won the ball high up the park. Hardie didn't have the concentration or work rate to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Saint Garf said: Loy's contribution wasn't just goals though, he got a few assists and was involved in almost all our positive forward play. He was a vital part of a hard working front line. He and Smith together pressed defenders, stopped teams playing out from the back and won the ball high up the park. Hardie didn't have the concentration or work rate to do that. Agreed. When he got his fitness level back up he was tireless, and contributed in attack and defence. As you say, numerous assists, imcluding teeing up Stevie Mallan for THAT goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 JR says we're bringing in between two and four more players, depending on whether Flanagan and Whyte are loaned out or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, Magic Monkey said: JR says we're bringing in between two and four more players, depending on whether Flanagan and Whyte are loaned out or not. I'm guessing that Flanagan won't get loaned out if Morgan goes (please, don't let that happen!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Drew said: I'm guessing that Flanagan won't get loaned out if Morgan goes (please, don't let that happen!). Yeah, good point: Jack says he's waiting to see how NF and DW get on - ie assessing their performances - but maybe it has more to do with transfer activity. That said, Jack talks about having a squad of 20, and we're on 18 with the two young lads, so if Morgan goes, perhaps we'd need three-five new players. Edited June 20, 2017 by Magic Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class of 76-77 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 I wonder where Nicky Devlin will end up if he's not signing for Dundee Utd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Fyvie looking for a new club after Hibs withdrew contract offer ,could be a good signing if in our price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, linwood buddie said: Fyvie looking for a new club after Hibs withdrew contract offer ,could be a good signing if in our price range. Not for me. Plenty of potential a few years ago but very pedestrian and a bit of a shitebag. He's not better than either McGinn or Magennis and would be an expensive back up. We need cover for holding mid but I don't think Fyvie would fit the mould. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 15 hours ago, mcdowell76 said: As I mentioned, Loy was playing for a side on the up and Hardie was playing for a side in free fall. In effect, Loy was playing for a top 3 side and Hardie was playing for a side marooned at the bottom. Therefore I think the description of "far more successful", in terms of the goalscoring comparison, is a tad over the top. The previous season Hardie scored 6 in 10 league games with Raith. Better than Loy managed with St. Mirren. My point here being that I think folk are being a tad hard on Hardie. If Loy had been with us in the first half and Hardie in the second half, I reckon we'd all be talking about how shite Loy was and how great Hardie was. The shite manager and shite team mates that Hardie had in the first half of the season maybe hindered him? 3 of those in one game versus us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Magic Monkey said: JR says we're bringing in between two and four more players, depending on whether Flanagan and Whyte are loaned out or not. I wonder if they are preparing for an improved offer on Morgan from down south? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, FTOF said: There is definitely a good player in there somewhere. However, he couldn't hold down a starting place in two very poor teams. For me that says more about his attitude than his ability. Maybe But, back in the day, Rory Loy was once a Rangers youngster who couldn't hold down a starting place for either Dunfermline or St. Mirren.... Edited June 20, 2017 by mcdowell76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 5 hours ago, mcdowell76 said: Maybe But, back in the day, Rory Loy was once a Rangers youngster who couldn't hold down a starting place for either Dunfermline or St. Mirren.... It's a bit unfair saying he couldn't "hold down" a starting place for us. He got no real game time. IIRC, he managed one, possibly two sub appearances. Admittedly the first one he was only on for a few minutes and the crowd were less than impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabbydug37 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Black & White Army @bawarmy 2minutes ago Saints won't be taking their interest in trialist Willis Furtado any further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 6 hours ago, kevo_smfc said: I wonder if they are preparing for an improved offer on Morgan from down south? Burton Albion spent a record amount on the transfer in of Boyce from Ross co., so i doubt they will be bidding for Morgan again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, stlucifer said: It's a bit unfair saying he couldn't "hold down" a starting place for us. He got no real game time. IIRC, he managed one, possibly two sub appearances. Admittedly the first one he was only on for a few minutes and the crowd were less than impressed. You say in your first statement that its a bit unfair that he couldn't hold down a starting place and then in your second sentence goon to confirm that he couldn't hold down a starting place! He was on loan at Dunfermline before us as well and couldn't get a regular game. He then went down to Carlisle and failed to make the grade there. He's so far scored 21 goals in 63 appearances, many of them as a sub. He's still only 20. Just like Rory Loy, I think its a bit too early to write him off. Indeed, many on this forum were slagging off Stevie Mallan at the half way stage this season. IIRC, Top Cat was his Mallan's main champion and he got a lot of abuse for that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 26 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said: Indeed, many on this forum were slagging off Stevie Mallan at the half way stage this season. IIRC, Top Cat was his Mallan's main champion and he got a lot of abuse for that.... And rightly so. By Mallan's own admission he was playing well below his own high standards. Happily he knuckled down, received better management, and got his reward. Anyway, away and dangle your hook on another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, mcdowell76 said: You say in your first statement that its a bit unfair that he couldn't hold down a starting place and then in your second sentence goon to confirm that he couldn't hold down a starting place! He was on loan at Dunfermline before us as well and couldn't get a regular game. He then went down to Carlisle and failed to make the grade there. He's so far scored 21 goals in 63 appearances, many of them as a sub. He's still only 20. Just like Rory Loy, I think its a bit too early to write him off. Indeed, many on this forum were slagging off Stevie Mallan at the half way stage this season. IIRC, Top Cat was his Mallan's main champion and he got a lot of abuse for that.... Nope. I said he didn't get a place to hold down. He was never given a decent chance to prove he was worth a place to try to hold down. Not his fault. The then manager was prone to this sort of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 There is definitely a good player in there somewhere. However, he couldn't hold down a starting place in two very poor teams. For me that says more about his attitude than his ability. Scored a decent amount of goals despite not holding down a place. I've never met the boy, therefore it'd be completely unfair of me to question his attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Striker Dale Hilson on trial. Spent the last two years at Queen of the South and has had a ridiculous number of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Striker Dale Hilson on trial. Spent the last two years at Queen of the South and has had a ridiculous number of injuries. Was photographed training with Dumbarton this week or last as well I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenstrieSaint Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 49 minutes ago, Stu said: Striker Dale Hilson on trial. Spent the last two years at Queen of the South and has had a ridiculous number of injuries. Raploch boy who started off with Dundee Utd , capped for Scotland at youth level , played very well against us for QoS last years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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