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I personally don't have a big issue with this but that's just my opinion on the matter. I don't have a season ticket in the south stand so it doesn't directly affect me but I wouldn't think moving to West stand would upset me.

The flipside could be that 500 rangers fans buy tickets for the south stand and it all kicks off in front of families. Would people be blaming the club then for selling tickets to non st mirren fans for the home end?

Would it be the same public outcry if Falkirk or Hibs were coming to town and the club thought they could sell 4000 tickets to them?

The board are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Just my opinion.

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I would like to update the forum to state that on behalf of the Fans Council I have spoken with Stewart Gilmour today. The purpose of the call was to offer assistance in making decisions of this magnitude in future. The Fans Council would have preferred an audience with the board to assist in the approach and communication of this difficult financial decision.

Stewart has taken this on board and at the same time shared with me some correspondence that he wrote today personally to a fan that contacted him direct.

I have enclosed this below as I believe it helps give his and the boards perspective on the decision made for the re-allocation of the seats in the Family stand for the Rangers fixture.

Fans Council

Email message -

The only stand we have freed up is the family stand for the following reasons, please remember the guys on the Board are trying to do their best for the club as a total entity.

1. We only have just over 200 actual paying Season Ticket Holders in that stand.

2. The actual numbers of these that actually attend Celtic and Rangers games is very low as well.

3. They have all been offered other tickets in either the Main Stand or West Stand for this Match.

4. Given the low numbers of our support in this stand it was anticipated that many Rangers Supporters would try and purchase tickets for this stand, so on a security basis it was best to have our supporters in our stands with fellow St Mirren supporters.

5. It is really important that we try to give Alex Rae the best budget we can to try to get us back into the top league and this is at least another player if not 2 for next season.

I trust from my transparency and quick answer to your e mail you will see the Board are acting in the best interests of the club as a whole.

I look forward to your continued support of our team

Regards

Stewart

Would have been good to have these points made in the original statement though.

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Personal preference.

You are old enough to remember fans swapping ends at half time to stand behind the goals... Did they do that because given free choice, they preferred an inferior view?

I agree with unreserved seats... but stands are a different thing completely.

Which set of supporters will be stopped from exiting the match on the final whistle since Saints fans will encounter the opposition now whichever way they leave the West stand?

I'd presume the "Rangers" fans will stay behind Brian since they'll be the ones wanting to have a bit of a party. But regardless, how do you segregate fans of both clubs in the approach to and from the stadium? "Rangers" fans will have just as much right to use the car park and the pavements and parking spots outside the stadium as anyone else.

I remember the swapping of ends Brian but most fans didn't stand behind the goal they went round into the covered areas under the shed. You did so so you could watch your team attack. Good times, happy memories. Ofcourse if you went back to those days of no segregation there'd be even less of an furore regarding where Rangers fans sat.

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I personally don't have a big issue with this but that's just my opinion on the matter. I don't have a season ticket in the south stand so it doesn't directly affect me.

The flipside could be that 500 rangers fans buy tickets for the south stand and it all kicks off in front of families. Would people be blaming the club then for selling tickets to non st mirren fans for the home end?

Would it be the same public outcry if Falkirk or Hibs were coming to town and the club thought they could sell 4000 tickets to them?

The board are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Just my opinion.

Too much common sense in this post.

Where's the seething outrage?

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Exactly. Personal preference. I hate Accies stadium but the view is good behind that goal. Falkirk too when we took big supports there. Sometimes you cannae' wack a big Saints support behind the goal. Motherwell 2-3 game? Brilliant.

Dicko also needs to accept that the seats ARE reserved, and many people like having a reserved seat. He can mump his gums all day long about a Utopia of unreserved and unsegregated stadiums and it means Jack Shit. It ain't happening pal. Nae' luck.

You're probably right Poz, but in that case fans are culpable in this whole unholy mess. The board have clearly f**ked up in their PR but the fans appear to have assumed an unreasonable position of wanting to reserve huge areas of empty seats denying other customers the opportunity to pay to watch a game of football.

Oh and I enjoy New Douglas Park too, but the best seating position by far is as close as possible to the centre line in the Hamilton Accies end.

Edited by Stuart Dickson

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Thought this was on the cards as soon as it was posted as a mere suggestion on here, there is potential for trouble at both ends of the ground now.

With our league position uncertain, we could possibly be needing a home win or draw in this game, so to allow the opposition the chance to maximise their support and deny our fans the chance to turn up and cheer us on is absolutely baffling, their is no excuse that is acceptable for the contempt shown to our fans in this.

It is a complete "we are doing it and we do not care what you think" decision.

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I would like to update the forum to state that on behalf of the Fans Council I have spoken with Stewart Gilmour today. The purpose of the call was to offer assistance in making decisions of this magnitude in future. The Fans Council would have preferred an audience with the board to assist in the approach and communication of this difficult financial decision.

Stewart has taken this on board and at the same time shared with me some correspondence that he wrote today personally to a fan that contacted him direct.

I have enclosed this below as I believe it helps give his and the boards perspective on the decision made for the re-allocation of the seats in the Family stand for the Rangers fixture.

Fans Council

Email message -

The only stand we have freed up is the family stand for the following reasons, please remember the guys on the Board are trying to do their best for the club as a total entity.

1. We only have just over 200 actual paying Season Ticket Holders in that stand.

2. The actual numbers of these that actually attend Celtic and Rangers games is very low as well.

3. They have all been offered other tickets in either the Main Stand or West Stand for this Match.

4. Given the low numbers of our support in this stand it was anticipated that many Rangers Supporters would try and purchase tickets for this stand, so on a security basis it was best to have our supporters in our stands with fellow St Mirren supporters.

5. It is really important that we try to give Alex Rae the best budget we can to try to get us back into the top league and this is at least another player if not 2 for next season.

I trust from my transparency and quick answer to your e mail you will see the Board are acting in the best interests of the club as a whole.

I look forward to your continued support of our team

Regards

Stewart

I can smell the shite fae' Cumbernauld.

Edit to add: Here we have the Fan Council trying to ask the BoD to possibly be consulted in future regarding such prickly issues, and offering to help in the communication and understanding before such statements are released in future. The Fan Council would also have liked to have been included in this particular discussion... FFS. One of the biggest stated aims of the Fan Council was to aid the communication channels between the club and supporters, yet the BoD don't even give them a heads-up before this latest fcuk-up. Anyone would think the BoD saw the Fan Council as a way to get other folk to come up with some decent ideas such as golf days, seeing as how they couldn't be arsed coming up with any.

Edit again: I feel for the guys on the Fan Council. I know a couple personally. How the fcuk can they aid communication between club and fans when they are being excluded themselves!? Must be like battering your fcuking head against a brick wall that Fan Council gig.

Edited by pozbaird

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BREAKING NEWS

The BoD have issued another statement that clarifies the situation ....

Edit to Add: OOPS - didn't see this had a whole thread all of its own!

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I would like to update the forum to state that on behalf of the Fans Council I have spoken with Stewart Gilmour today. The purpose of the call was to offer assistance in making decisions of this magnitude in future. The Fans Council would have preferred an audience with the board to assist in the approach and communication of this difficult financial decision.

Stewart has taken this on board and at the same time shared with me some correspondence that he wrote today personally to a fan that contacted him direct.

I have enclosed this below as I believe it helps give his and the boards perspective on the decision made for the re-allocation of the seats in the Family stand for the Rangers fixture.

Fans Council

Email message -

The only stand we have freed up is the family stand for the following reasons, please remember the guys on the Board are trying to do their best for the club as a total entity.

1. We only have just over 200 actual paying Season Ticket Holders in that stand.

2. The actual numbers of these that actually attend Celtic and Rangers games is very low as well.

3. They have all been offered other tickets in either the Main Stand or West Stand for this Match.

4. Given the low numbers of our support in this stand it was anticipated that many Rangers Supporters would try and purchase tickets for this stand, so on a security basis it was best to have our supporters in our stands with fellow St Mirren supporters.

5. It is really important that we try to give Alex Rae the best budget we can to try to get us back into the top league and this is at least another player if not 2 for next season.

I trust from my transparency and quick answer to your e mail you will see the Board are acting in the best interests of the club as a whole.

I look forward to your continued support of our team

Regards

Stewart

Point 1, 2, 3 & 4 contradicts what we do all season and it all boils down to point 5.

Saints fans with saints fans?

Why not have the West Stand open for home fans only?

Only 200 South Stand season ticket holders and a half empty west stand. Why not try and fill them on days like QOTS on Saturday instead of the away end.

Already said I'm not that bothered about giving the South Stand to Sevco but I can't get my head round some of the decision making.

If they're were really that concerned and wanted to prevent Swvco fans entering the home end they could easily restrict ticket sales to people who registered before a certain date. This is the procedure down south and I'm sure our online ticket system could cope with that.

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Point 1, 2, 3 & 4 contradicts what we do all season and it all boils down to point 5.

Saints fans with saints fans?

Why not have the Weat Stand open for home fans only?

Only 200 South Stand season ticket holders and a half empty west stand. Why not try and fill them on days like Saturday instead of the away end.

Already said I'm not that bothered about giving the South Stand the Sevco but I can't get my head round some of the decision making.

If they're were really that concerned and wanted to prevent Swvco fans entering the home end they could easily restrict ticket sales to people who registered before a certain date. This is the procedure down south and I'm sure our online ticket system could cope with that.

Is point 4 not the responsibility of the club not to sell tickets for the home sections to away fans?

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I'd presume the "Rangers" fans will stay behind Brian since they'll be the ones wanting to have a bit of a party. But regardless, how do you segregate fans of both clubs in the approach to and from the stadium? "Rangers" fans will have just as much right to use the car park and the pavements and parking spots outside the stadium as anyone else.

I remember the swapping of ends Brian but most fans didn't stand behind the goal they went round into the covered areas under the shed. You did so so you could watch your team attack. Good times, happy memories. Ofcourse if you went back to those days of no segregation there'd be even less of an furore regarding where Rangers fans sat.

We aren't going back to the days of no segregation. How many fcuking times?

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I would like to update the forum to state that on behalf of the Fans Council I have spoken with Stewart Gilmour today. The purpose of the call was to offer assistance in making decisions of this magnitude in future. The Fans Council would have preferred an audience with the board to assist in the approach and communication of this difficult financial decision.

Stewart has taken this on board and at the same time shared with me some correspondence that he wrote today personally to a fan that contacted him direct.

I have enclosed this below as I believe it helps give his and the boards perspective on the decision made for the re-allocation of the seats in the Family stand for the Rangers fixture.

Fans Council

Email message -

The only stand we have freed up is the family stand for the following reasons, please remember the guys on the Board are trying to do their best for the club as a total entity.

1. We only have just over 200 actual paying Season Ticket Holders in that stand.

2. The actual numbers of these that actually attend Celtic and Rangers games is very low as well.

3. They have all been offered other tickets in either the Main Stand or West Stand for this Match.

4. Given the low numbers of our support in this stand it was anticipated that many Rangers Supporters would try and purchase tickets for this stand, so on a security basis it was best to have our supporters in our stands with fellow St Mirren supporters.

5. It is really important that we try to give Alex Rae the best budget we can to try to get us back into the top league and this is at least another player if not 2 for next season.

I trust from my transparency and quick answer to your e mail you will see the Board are acting in the best interests of the club as a whole.

I look forward to your continued support of our team

Regards

Stewart

That is complete tosh on a par with the Armageddon scaremongering.

What attempt was made to increase the Saints support for the game?

If the net additional income ultimately gets us a player, I reckon we will be lucky if it is one as useful as Mo Camara.

Ooohhh.... Bad fans... You might cost your own club a player... How can you be so selfish!

Stop the emotional blackmail Stewart and start actually caring about our club and our support once more.

I ask again... What attempt was made to increase our own support?

You managed it against Queen of the South... Why not again in a game that might matter.

If we fcuk up and end up doing a Hibs... In a playoff without a home support... Then you get what you deserve but the supporters don't!

Sanctamonius shite playing on the loyalty of supporters.

But thanks for taking the time to write it. We should be grateful!

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That is complete tosh on a par with the Armageddon scaremongering.

What attempt was made to increase the Saints support for the game?

If the net additional income ultimately gets us a player, I reckon we will be lucky if it is one as useful as Mo Camara.

Ooohhh.... Bad fans... You might cost your own club a player... How can you be so selfish!

Stop the emotional blackmail Stewart and start actually caring about our club and our support once more.

I ask again... What attempt was made to increase our own support?

You managed it against Queen of the South... Why not again in a game that might matter.

If we fcuk up and end up doing a Hibs... In a playoff without a home support... Then you get what you deserve but the supporters don't!

Sanctamonius shite playing on the loyalty of supporters.

But thanks for taking the time to write it. We should be grateful!

If, and it's less than unlikely, this game means anything to us, surely there's plenty of time, and space, to drum up some home support?

Don't see this as a issue as there will be plenty of spaces for the board to fill up.

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Better get Liverpool to move the Kop then.

In fairness if we were regularly packing out the Family Stand this wouldn't be an issue.

We are not.

It's usually fairly empty in there.

The board could have explicitly written that this was for money but TBH I would have thought that anyone with half a brain would have been able to realise that this would cover a decent players wage for next season and would welcome it given it's only one game and the very strong likelihood that this game will be meaningless to us.

Stuart is right about the season ticket holders "owning" seats.

Encouraging a sense of unreasonable entitlement amongst your customer base is a recipe for disaster as we are now seeing.

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In fairness if we were regularly packing out the Family Stand this wouldn't be an issue.

We are not.

It's usually fairly empty in there.

The board could have explicitly written that this was for money but TBH I would have thought that anyone with half a brain would have been able to realise that this would cover a decent players wage for next season and would welcome it given it's only one game and the very strong likelihood that this game will be meaningless to us.

Stuart is right about the season ticket holders "owning" seats.

Encouraging a sense of unreasonable entitlement amongst your customer base is a recipe for disaster as we are now seeing.

There's also a fair chance that this game could see us still in with a sniff of fourth, or embroiled in a trouser troubling tussle with Livvy.

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In fairness if we were regularly packing out the Family Stand this wouldn't be an issue.

We are not.

It's usually fairly empty in there.

The board could have explicitly written that this was for money but TBH I would have thought that anyone with half a brain would have been able to realise that this would cover a decent players wage for next season and would welcome it given it's only one game and the very strong likelihood that this game will be meaningless to us.

Stuart is right about the season ticket holders "owning" seats.

Encouraging a sense of unreasonable entitlement amongst your customer base is a recipe for disaster as we are now seeing.

Unreasonable entitlement? To watch what you've paid for in the seat you selected. Oh aye, stupid fans.

"We hate having them in the boardroom...but they'll be back with the attitude of being able to do just what they want."

How prophetic you were Stewart. Although, you did miss out the part about inviting them in quite so readily.

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The Rangers gloat has begun. "Some clubs can't fill a dug out. Rangers quite simply are Scottish football. Ready." A view shared by our Chairman.

I'm not normally bothered by the our support is bigger than your support pish but this money at all costs move is completely embarrassing. Let's hope that we are as safe from relegation as the BoD seem to think and the team doesn't need it's 12th man. Possibly the most stupid and short sighted 35 grand the Board has earned.

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