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Much as I want Oran to succeed I have seen or heard nothing that suggests he will. Think he may be out of his depth. If his carer break allows him back into his old job at the end of this season I suspect we won't see him for dust. Robbie Nelson has improved united with no new players. We haven't had that bounce. Hope I am so wrong but watching games like today are doing nothing to assure me. Just as well I'm looking after grand weans tonight so won't touch the demon drink. I need one. 

Robbie Nielsen has a huge squad that’s more than good enough to challenge for winning the championship.

 

Ok has got a squad that probably even isn’t good enough for competing in the premiership never mind staying up.

 

They are managers not magicians they can only work with what they have.

 

 

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19 hours ago, proudtobeabuddy said:

No problems with OK's assessment of the game and i think he knows that the squad isn't good enough.

Apart from the comment that the reaction of the "KILMARNOCK" players coming off at half time, with regards to the Mullen penalty claim. Slip of the tongue but still not too clever.

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2 minutes ago, truesaint said:

Apart from the comment that the reaction of the "KILMARNOCK" players coming off at half time, with regards to the Mullen penalty claim. Slip of the tongue but still not too clever.

Can you imagine is Stubbs had made a similar "slip of the tongue".............................fecking carnage. 

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20 hours ago, buddies1877 said:


Robbie Nielsen has a huge squad that’s more than good enough to challenge for winning the championship.

Ok had got a squad that probably even isn’t good enough for competing in the premiership never mind staying up.

They are managers not magicians they can’t only work with what they have.
 

Quality of squad is irrelevant. Neilson got his motivated. OK hasn't yet

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On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 2:08 PM, FTOF said:

Aye,so we did.:rolleyes:

Walked back into teaching and will now be collecting his very healthy teacher's pension.

That's a very simplistic view, not necessarily supported by facts.  My understanding is that TH had to re-start his career as a supply teacher which would have been no bed of roses especially after being a Principal at a large school.

A teacher's pension will most likely be a local authority one and he lost at least 2, maybe 3 years service and he would have to work on  in order to recoup his losses or accept a lower pension based on length of service.

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Quality of squad is irrelevant. Neilson got his motivated. OK hasn't yet

Irrelevant are you for real

Strange why east Stirling aren’t in the premiership if only they had a manager that could motivate their players.

What utter bullshit the quality of a squad you have and level they play at is irrelevant

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13 hours ago, buddies1877 said:


Irrelevant are you for real emoji15.png

Strange why east Stirling aren’t in the premiership if only they had a manager that could motivate their players.

What utter bullshit the quality of a squad you have and level they play at is irrelevant emoji23.png

My apogies for not making myself clear. Point I was trying to make albeit not very well was that Neilson got a demotivated squad working well. Oran has not got a demotivated squad working well. Of course the quality of the squad matters probably more than anything. 

My assumption is that given the same squad if Neilson was in charge he would get them motivated and organised quicker than Oran would ie I would have liked Neilson to have been appointed by us but Tony screwed that up. 

January will confirm whether Oran has the ability to strengthen the squad as well as motivate it and organise it

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4 minutes ago, Oldfellow said:

My apogies for not making myself clear. Point I was trying to make albeit not very well was that Neilson got a demotivated squad working well. Oran has not got a demotivated squad working well. Of course the quality of the squad matters probably more than anything. 

My assumption is that given the same squad if Neilson was in charge he would get them motivated and organised quicker than Oran would ie I would have liked Neilson to have been appointed by us but Tony screwed that up. 

January will confirm whether Oran has the ability to strengthen the squad as well as motivate it and organise it

You don't know the reasons why Neilson knocked us back

Also how do you know he would have done any better than Oran with this squad

The main problem is midfield and the main energy of it was down to Magennis

No real surprise he has been out we have never looked like winning the engine room

Too many pretty players no grafters

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25 minutes ago, windae cleaner said:

You don't know the reasons why Neilson knocked us back

Also how do you know he would have done any better than Oran with this squad

The main problem is midfield and the main energy of it was down to Magennis

No real surprise he has been out we have never looked like winning the engine room

Too many pretty players no grafters

We don't "know" albeit widely reported Neilson indicated he felt our expectations were unrealistic, but, like all these things, only a few really know.

You have to wonder why he would knock us back as, on paper, we look a decent bet. In fact if you remember Div posted that we would have a queue of prospective managers applying, suggesting we were a nice club. Feck, I nearly applied myself after reading that. 

Yes, we don't know if he would done any better but one things for sure, it would be hard to do much worse. 

Agree McGennis is a big miss. 

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Need to move onwards and upwards now. 

We can beat Motherwell, Sevco 2012 and Dundee. 

Mullen hopefully cutting out the cheating and scoring a few winners while Sammy starts to create a new Clean Sheet record. 

Saints 2 Motherwell 0

Saints 1 Sevco (2012) 0

Dundee 0 Saints 1

Hopefully the top teams will drop points as we climb the Table towards the glory end. 

COME ON THE SAINTS :clapping

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1 hour ago, Oldfellow said:

My apogies for not making myself clear. Point I was trying to make albeit not very well was that Neilson got a demotivated squad working well. Oran has not got a demotivated squad working well. Of course the quality of the squad matters probably more than anything. 

My assumption is that given the same squad if Neilson was in charge he would get them motivated and organised quicker than Oran would ie I would have liked Neilson to have been appointed by us but Tony screwed that up. 

January will confirm whether Oran has the ability to strengthen the squad as well as motivate it and organise it

Neilson has managed to get a squad who are possibly the highest paid in their division to play to their standard. There really isn't any valid comparison to make with us in the Premiership. He wasn't interested in a job at a club with one of the smallest budgets in the division. 

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15 hours ago, oaksoft said:

It's pretty clear that he feels the key problem is that the players are a bit broken psychologically.

There is no silver bullet for that I'm afraid.

Correct. Morale and team spirit can't be fixed overnight. Patience and support from the fans can help, but more likely a big turnover of players in January will give us a better chance. 

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15 hours ago, truesaint said:

Apart from the comment that the reaction of the "KILMARNOCK" players coming off at half time, with regards to the Mullen penalty claim. Slip of the tongue but still not too clever.

I really couldn't care less about a slip of the tongue. Completely irrelevant. 

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12 minutes ago, Soctty said:

Correct. Morale and team spirit can't be fixed overnight. Patience and support from the fans can help, but more likely a big turnover of players in January will give us a better chance

Much as I'm pinning my hopes on that , it would be no surprise if there's no improvement at all after January. JR was lucky that things improved in such a short space of time , and if lightning was to strike twice allowing us to make great escape 2 ,then that would be truly remarkable !

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2 minutes ago, billyg said:

Much as I'm pinning my hopes on that , it would be no surprise if there's no improvement at all after January. JR was lucky that things improved in such a short space of time , and if lightning was to strike twice allowing us to make great escape 2 ,then that would be truly remarkable !

I think one of the things which is holding us back is the attitude of the players. Not that their attitude is bad, more the poor morale, almost expecting to lose every week. Team spirit is almost non existent as well. Getting a good number of new players in could give the squad a lift, and improving the areas which are most needed would improve the potential performance levels. We do need more in midfield, more physicality, and also another central defender as we may not be able to count on Ferdinand being fit every week at his age. A bit more pace up front/on the wings would also help us to counter attack more dangerously.

Main thing is that the manager needs to be given the time and resources to enable him to have a chance of turning it around.

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1 hour ago, windae cleaner said:

You don't know the reasons why Neilson knocked us back

Also how do you know he would have done any better than Oran with this squad

The main problem is midfield and the main energy of it was down to Magennis

No real surprise he has been out we have never looked like winning the engine room

Too many pretty players no grafters

Neilson was quite candid in public, and private that the smfc board were living in cloud cuckoo land regarding their expectations of the new manager - v - budget he would have to work with to achieve said expectations.

Stubbs thought he could match it by hoovering up some non league and young loanee talent. Saw it wasnt working, started bringing in pro's with premiership level pedigree (Hodson, Edwards and reportedly made the first contact with Anton).

Oran obviously felt he could match the boards crazy expectations on budget available, and has so far been found wanting in putting out a competitive side each week. Again he's turned to higher earning pros like Hammill & Jackson. In essence the board have already made available more budget to him, than they planned!

the hard facts of our predicament make uncomfortable reading, that a fair few fans seem unwilling to acknowledge. 

We have in our side Ferdinand, Hammill, Jackson who have all played in the EPL, one in the Bundesleague. In addition to that we have Hodson, an internationalist who has played in the english championship as well as the Our premiership , Edwards who has played in the premiership.

then we have S McGinn (English championship), P McGinn (Premiership), Samson (Premiership),  Flynn (played in cup semi finals at wembley, beat EPL sides) Willock (Man utd loanee, played in Holland and Premiership)

the point I am making is when was the last time we had at our disposal a group of players who have played at the highest level, or well beyond our normal level, and yet another manager cant get a performance out of them???

our achilles heel are the likes of Baird, Smith, Mullen, McShane, Eckersley, Mackenzie etc who are all well below par, injury prone or both. It is the remnants of Ross's squad that is holding us back now! We won the championship with them, they were on their way out though as Ross realised in those final games we were going backwards. Then Stubbs saw they werent up to it as well and told some they could go, and shipped a few out.

Oran is basically repeating the errors Ross made, and that Stubbs tried not to, by going back through these guys and giving them game time in the hope that, for some unknown reason they will suddenly be up to Premiership standard. It hasnt, and it wont work!

he is more likely to get performances out of Heaton, Cooke, King and Kwepenka than he is out of a group that Ross didnt fully believe in anymore. Oran is going to have to bite the bullet imo, and play guys who might have a future, rather than the ones who only have yesterday to look back on. He will get absolute pelters for it, but he'll get that anyway as people try to blame him next for "Tearing up the championship winning side" when in reality even Ross knew they were collectively and for a fair few individually a spent force.

 

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53 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Neilson was quite candid in public, and private that the smfc board were living in cloud cuckoo land regarding their expectations of the new manager - v - budget he would have to work with to achieve said expectations.

Stubbs thought he could match it by hoovering up some non league and young loanee talent. Saw it wasnt working, started bringing in pro's with premiership level pedigree (Hodson, Edwards and reportedly made the first contact with Anton).

Oran obviously felt he could match the boards crazy expectations on budget available, and has so far been found wanting in putting out a competitive side each week. Again he's turned to higher earning pros like Hammill & Jackson. In essence the board have already made available more budget to him, than they planned!

the hard facts of our predicament make uncomfortable reading, that a fair few fans seem unwilling to acknowledge. 

We have in our side Ferdinand, Hammill, Jackson who have all played in the EPL, one in the Bundesleague. In addition to that we have Hodson, an internationalist who has played in the english championship as well as the Our premiership , Edwards who has played in the premiership.

then we have S McGinn (English championship), P McGinn (Premiership), Samson (Premiership),  Flynn (played in cup semi finals at wembley, beat EPL sides) Willock (Man utd loanee, played in Holland and Premiership)

the point I am making is when was the last time we had at our disposal a group of players who have played at the highest level, or well beyond our normal level, and yet another manager cant get a performance out of them???

our achilles heel are the likes of Baird, Smith, Mullen, McShane, Eckersley, Mackenzie etc who are all well below par, injury prone or both. It is the remnants of Ross's squad that is holding us back now! We won the championship with them, they were on their way out though as Ross realised in those final games we were going backwards. Then Stubbs saw they werent up to it as well and told some they could go, and shipped a few out.

Oran is basically repeating the errors Ross made, and that Stubbs tried not to, by going back through these guys and giving them game time in the hope that, for some unknown reason they will suddenly be up to Premiership standard. It hasnt, and it wont work!

he is more likely to get performances out of Heaton, Cooke, King and Kwepenka than he is out of a group that Ross didnt fully believe in anymore. Oran is going to have to bite the bullet imo, and play guys who might have a future, rather than the ones who only have yesterday to look back on. He will get absolute pelters for it, but he'll get that anyway as people try to blame him next for "Tearing up the championship winning side" when in reality even Ross knew they were collectively and for a fair few individually a spent force.

 

I shouldn't bite BUT Baird has played in the Scottish Premiership previously and has been in the team every time this season I believe - so not injury prone either. He has also been one of the most capable, consistent and hard working players in many of the games. He is human and has made a few mistakes or things that have not worked out at times, but I would hate to imagine what the scores would have been with KP or the very injury prone Heaton at the heart of our defence. KP is as slow as a sloth....Heaton has managed to get on the bench twice I think..

Cooke and King are not good enough for the Scottish 2nd division...

The underlying issue is the squad overall is not good enough and the number of players who are injured has left us thin on the ground. I think the subs on Saturday apart from the Goalie were all really midfielders. (I know some say Smith is a forward, but he works in midfield and pushes on to support the strikers more than an all out striker.) No manager would want that kind of balance - so why would he have it - these were the fittest.best guys he had available.

Stubbs and injuries left OK a bad hand - given time more of the Jackson, Ferdinand and Hammill quality and more fit players will definitely help... Give this manager your support - what a difficult task he has taken on....

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I watched a Northern Ireland league match on Sky the other night. It was like watching the Juniors. 

I see that East Fife had won 8 games on the trot until they came up against Dumbarton and their new manager Jim Duffy at the weekend, and got cuffed 4 nil by the Sons.

You've got to wonder what qualifications Gordon Scott and the rest of his so called Board have for recruitment and selection.

 

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5 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

I watched a Northern Ireland league match on Sky the other night. It was like watching the Juniors. 

I see that East Fife had won 8 games on the trot until they came up against Dumbarton and their new manager Jim Duffy at the weekend, and got cuffed 4 nil by the Sons.

You've got to wonder what qualifications Gordon Scott and the rest of his so called Board have for recruitment and selection.

 

So much negativity :unsure:

Give him a chance

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1 hour ago, Sweeper07 said:

I shouldn't bite BUT Baird has played in the Scottish Premiership previously and has been in the team every time this season I believe - so not injury prone either. He has also been one of the most capable, consistent and hard working players in many of the games. He is human and has made a few mistakes or things that have not worked out at times, but I would hate to imagine what the scores would have been with KP or the very injury prone Heaton at the heart of our defence. KP is as slow as a sloth....Heaton has managed to get on the bench twice I think..

Cooke and King are not good enough for the Scottish 2nd division...

The underlying issue is the squad overall is not good enough and the number of players who are injured has left us thin on the ground. I think the subs on Saturday apart from the Goalie were all really midfielders. (I know some say Smith is a forward, but he works in midfield and pushes on to support the strikers more than an all out striker.) No manager would want that kind of balance - so why would he have it - these were the fittest.best guys he had available.

Stubbs and injuries left OK a bad hand - given time more of the Jackson, Ferdinand and Hammill quality and more fit players will definitely help... Give this manager your support - what a difficult task he has taken on....

I hear all this, and I will support Saints , but OK knew perfectly well what he was taking on..................

My problem is not the personnel, we all lnow recruitment under Stubbs was poor.

Its tactics. On paper we have a better team than Livi and Accies, yet especially in Livis case, a change of manager is seemless, they just all know their jobs and do them highly effectively. 

We had a 1-0 lead v Killie and we prepare for backlash

We are drawing 0-0 with 10 man Celtic- 2nd half we park the bus

We are drawing against Fakes 0-0, 2nd half we simply dont turn up.....

Look I get we have injuries, I get we have some players that just take a wage...................

We have just lost matches against our closest rivals. Fakes should have beat us by 5 or 6...............

I will go with hope on Wednesday, that we will show 90 mins not 45 mins  .......

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

I watched a Northern Ireland league match on Sky the other night. It was like watching the Juniors. 

I see that East Fife had won 8 games on the trot until they came up against Dumbarton and their new manager Jim Duffy at the weekend, and got cuffed 4 nil by the Sons.

You've got to wonder what qualifications Gordon Scott and the rest of his so called Board have for recruitment and selection.

 

What a bizarre post. 

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