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The very fact JR travelled leads me to think he'll welcome the challenge. My hope is he doesn't get the choice and Barnsley go for a more high profile better proven option given the amount of cash they have down there. If that pans out, I  just hope there's no backlash due to him actually taking the opportunity to try for the post.

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There’s no doubt that JR would interview very well and that, from what Chick says, he’s the kind of young manager that Barnsley are looking for.

However, there are a couple of points that would go against him. He’s only been managing for 2-3 seasons in total and he won’t be that familiar with English Championship teams, players etc.

I think taking the interview is a smart move for him. Even if he isn’t offered the Barnsley job, he’ll be talked about in positive terms within the game down there and that’ll do him no harm for the future.

Peter Houston said on the radio that this chance had come at the wrong time for JR, and Jack will have to weigh up what he stands to gain and lose if he’s offered the job.

Fingers crossed that Gareth Ainsworth is reading the riot act to the Wycombe board just now and demanding that he’s allowed to speak to Barnsley.

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8 hours ago, Sonny said:

That certainly was not my perception of the situation.  Jack started to change things from day 1.

Some seemed to think that he would take over and that the so-called 'new manager bounce' would somehow lift a team that had a totally unbalanced squad, poor attitude from loads of players, and absolutely no tactics except a long punt up to Sutton.

For the first few games Jack gave everyone a chance to show what they could do (he even recalled Ben Gordon to see if he could be an improvement in what we had) and tried to actually play a formation. He quickly realised that some were not good enough or up for the fight eg Hutton, Hardie, Walsh, Shankland and binned them. Certainly Hutton and Walsh never played for Jack after the Morton game on 1st Nov - only a couple of weeks after Jack took over. And Hardie and Shankland only made an odd appearance from the bench as there was little else and until he could punt them completely in January.

After 6 straight defeats (just following on from Rae's poor run), by the time of Jack's first League win on 6th Dec he had introduced Magennis to the team and had Morgan and McAllister playing regularly. And  these 6 defeats were against Hibs, Dundee Utd, Falkirk, Morton, Dunfermline and our bogey team of Dumbarton - no easy games in that lot.

We had not been winning but Jack dumped some of the rubbish, started playing a passing game and improved performances no end even if it took a few weeks to come together. But more importantly he had done two things - 1 was introduce skilful and hungry young players from our own ranks and not loanees and  - 2 identify who had to go. Both actions that had great significance in keeping us up. Remember that he had little to work with in Oct but done a really good job with what he had in my opinion until he could really clear the decks in January.

Of the 11 players he dumped only the two that were sold Naismith and McAllister are playing  in a team in a higher position than we are now in. That was how bad it was.

There was me thinking Jack's 6 straight defeats in the league came after we'd beaten Hibs in the cup and drawn with Falkirk in the league, and that at first Ross got worse results with Rae's players even though Ross had guys like Morgan, Gordon. McAllister and McKenzie coming back from injury who had missed some  or most of Rae's league games where we played 6, lost 3 and drew 3. 6 straight league defeats was not a continuation of the results under Alex Rae! Most of the players Ross offloaded in January went to clubs higher up the league than us - Shankland to Morton, Hardie to Raith Rovers and then to Rangers (lol), Scott Gallacher to Hibs etc. This season Hutton and Walsh are back playing at Championship level again. Unless anything has changed recently McAllister still hasn't started a game for Derby or Derby U23's.

 

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Seems to me that JR had a clause in his contract that would allow him to speak to other Clubs if they met SMFC's valuation.

It looks as if thats been met.

My worry is that JR knocks it back, then spends the rest of the Season thinking what might have been and that has a detrimental effect on our run in.

or, he goes and that has a detrimental effect on our run in. Either way its quite worrying.

Whatever happens, we as a group of fans have a big part in carrying this group of players over the line. COYS

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Where is the evidence??? Come on Billy for someone that knows so much you don't really back up any of your stories.

IF Jack Ross was interviewed today imo Tony Fitzpatrick should resign for lying to the fans as that is bang out of order.

Wycombe had the right idea tell Barnsley to F**k off then put out a statement straight away informing everyone what happened.


Can't give you evidence , but Stuart Gilmour just tweeted to a journalist that he hopes talks didn't go well . He must know something surely .

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Wonder why we gave permission for Jack to be interviewed at such a critical time in the season?  He has just signed a new contract and the Board would expect him to finish the key job of promotion. A statement telling us they have refused permission ala Wycombe, would show the fans of the Board's determination to hold onto Jack and reduce any possible impact of him leaving.  As for Tony?  If Jack did travel down south yesterday why would he refute the Barnsley have made no contact statement? It will all come out in due course I guess. Personally, I would have told any approaching club to swivel.

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10 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

The very fact JR travelled leads me to think he'll welcome the challenge. My hope is he doesn't get the choice and Barnsley go for a more high profile better proven option given the amount of cash they have down there. If that pans out, I  just hope there's no backlash due to him actually taking the opportunity to try for the post.

Just read the Barnsley FC forum of all names mentioned most want Jack Ross. There fans sound quite cool. 

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Struggling to work out why we would refuse Dundee permission to talk to JR but meekly allow Barnsley. He is under contract for another 2 and a half years...

Contract clause? He's assured the board he won't take the job even if offered but wants to go through the process? He didn't want the Dundee job but does want this one?

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2 minutes ago, KennyS said:

19 managers in 18 years!! FFS!

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This alone should warn JR off.

ETA. I suppose our record should have warned him off us though.

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2 minutes ago, sexybaldyguy said:

Seems to me that JR had a clause in his contract that would allow him to speak to other Clubs if they met SMFC's valuation.

It looks as if thats been met.

My worry is that JR knocks it back, then spends the rest of the Season thinking what might have been and that has a detrimental effect on our run in.

or, he goes and that has a detrimental effect on our run in. Either way its quite worrying.

Whatever happens, we as a group of fans have a big part in carrying this group of players over the line. COYS

Why would we include such a valuation option? That simply means any success would lead to our manager leaving.  Maybe this is a norm in some player contracts but a manager? How do you determine a manager's valuation?

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1 minute ago, nedflanders123 said:

Why would we include such a valuation option? That simply means any success would lead to our manager leaving.  Maybe this is a norm in some player contracts but a manager? How do you determine a manager's valuation?

The valuation is the remainder of the manager's contract.

If JR is on, for example, £100k a year for the next 2 and a half years, the compensation that Bansley will pay is £250k.

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1 minute ago, nedflanders123 said:

Why would we include such a valuation option? That simply means any success would lead to our manager leaving.  Maybe this is a norm in some player contracts but a manager? How do you determine a manager's valuation?

Do Aberdeen not have such a clause with Derek McInnes ? Seem to remember a figure around £750,000 when Rangers were sniffing around

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If I was JR I’d take the Barnsley job if offered. 

I know there’s unfinished business here and some think he could get a bigger job but when you look at previous managers of ours who have achieved good things in recent years they have ended up at Queens Park and Clyde. 

A championship offer may never come around again. 

 

From out our point of view it’s the only downside of having a good young manager who’s getting some success on the park. We’re still strong enough to get promoted without JR as he’ll be leaving is in a solid position. 

Financially we’ll be compensated and we won’t be short of decent candidates now people see what sort of club we are these days. We have a togetherness from the fans to players and the board. We’re heading back to the top flight and in a sound financial state. We will have plenty of decent applications for the job. 

I hope JR stays but I wouldn’t grudge him the move and I think he would be crazy to decline the offer. 

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If I was JR I’d take the Barnsley job if offered. 
I know there’s unfinished business here and some think he could get a bigger job but when you look at previous managers of ours who have achieved good things in recent years they have ended up at Queens Park and Clyde. 
A championship offer may never come around again. 
 
From out our point of view it’s the only downside of having a good young manager who’s getting some success on the park. We’re still strong enough to get promoted without JR as he’ll be leaving is in a solid position. 
Financially we’ll be compensated and we won’t be short of decent candidates now people see what sort of club we are these days. We have a togetherness from the fans to players and the board. We’re heading back to the top flight and in a sound financial state. We will have plenty of decent applications for the job. 
I hope JR stays but I wouldn’t grudge him the move and I think he would be crazy to decline the offer. 


Unfortunately I would say the exact same

I remember Billy Reid knocked back the Swansea job....how did that work out for him.

there’s no guarantee a bigger job is around the corner

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8 minutes ago, davidg said:

If I was JR I’d take the Barnsley job if offered. 

I know there’s unfinished business here and some think he could get a bigger job but when you look at previous managers of ours who have achieved good things in recent years they have ended up at Queens Park and Clyde. 

A championship offer may never come around again. 

 

From out our point of view it’s the only downside of having a good young manager who’s getting some success on the park. We’re still strong enough to get promoted without JR as he’ll be leaving is in a solid position. 

Financially we’ll be compensated and we won’t be short of decent candidates now people see what sort of club we are these days. We have a togetherness from the fans to players and the board. We’re heading back to the top flight and in a sound financial state. We will have plenty of decent applications for the job. 

I hope JR stays but I wouldn’t grudge him the move and I think he would be crazy to decline the offer. 

Great post, I completely agree. He would be nuts to reject it. Fantastic opportunity for him and if he gets it right a huge steeping stone to bigger clubs.

Massive challenge for him initially in getting to grips with the quality of Championship and the level of player required. Way higher than he has been used to dealing with and what he's played at.

There is enough in the current Barnsley team to stay up and from there with big investment he'll have a great chance to push them on. 

He's done more than enough for St Mirren and wouldn't begrudge him leaving at this moment at all.

 

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I disagree that he'd be mad to turn it down. I think he'll step up to a much higher level after us.  He should stay with us and do a whole season at least in the Scottish Premier. Then i'm pretty sure he'd get a EPL job. I hope Jack finishes what he started with us, he seems that type of guy.

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