paisleysaint1973 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Seriously what games have you been watching goody even thought out injured is still our stand out player of the season as it stands. Although given the imposters that pretend to be players in our squad that would be a given for me even a half fit Goodwin is head and shoulders above our current midfield crop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class of 76-77 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thought Carswell was man of the match on Saturday & wasn't scared to get stuck in when required. Credit it where its due, Carswell was my man of the match closely followed by Watson. The team played more like a unit and it was evident that there was more of a togetherness about the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thought Carswell was man of the match on Saturday & wasn't scared to get stuck in when required. Nothing personal against Carswell but going from being absolutely honking to absolutely average over 45 mins is not an endorsement for me (I thought he had a poor first half at Greenock - along with everyone else I may add). Although I admit he was a lot better in the second half. Also note that Morton played with 4 in midfield against our 5 and 2 of their 4 'midfielders' were central defenders due to injuries ruling out their normal midfield - 'Duffy played two centre halfs in centre midfield and two central midfielders on the wings.' from a Morton fan on P&B. And their midfield still created more chances than we did. Carswell has been with us for 6 months and it took until the second half on Saturday before he put in a tackle. Why has he not done it before now? And his passing is still too defensive and inaccurate. If he can tackle and pass for 90 mins consistently then maybe I would say he is a capable Championship player but he has done nothing so far to convince me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Although he has been pretty terrible whenever I have seen him, and the rest of his game was awful, Carswell actually put in a few (by which I mean maybe three or four) good tackles against Livingston the week before. That was the first time I'd seen him make a tackle. Sounds like he continued it against Morton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 All this speculation about Carswell tackling is just a rumour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 You never know, Carswell could really come onto a game if he's playing under a manager who knows the position properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Re-arrange these words... Straws... Clutching... At... It comes to something when talk of; if one of our midfielders can actually play, or not is conducted on the 'Speculation' thread..! Jeez it seems Carswell's ability, or lack of doesn't even justify discussion on the 'Rumour' thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Notice that Aberdeen are trying to sign 20 year old striker Sam Gallagher on loan from MK Dons. Does that mean they are losing interest in Shankland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Notice that Aberdeen are trying to sign 20 year old striker Sam Gallagher on loan from MK Dons. Does that mean they are losing interest in Shankland? Shankland hasn't exactly set the heather on fire in the Championship so I don't see him being a hit in the Premiership. Baird is a good example of this, didn't do great in the top flight but has scored plenty for Falkirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shankland hasn't exactly set the heather on fire in the Championship so I don't see him being a hit in the Premiership. Baird is a good example of this, didn't do great in the top flight but has scored plenty for Falkirk. Whilst I agree, 3 in 3 under the new gaffer suggests he might prove more of a goal threat now he's getting a run. Hopefully by the end of the month we have at least a player or two who can unlock a defence and provide him some more chances on front of goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shankland is a goal scorer, and we would do well to hang onto him. Its a low risk option while he remains contracted to another club, and won't be costing us the earth. Let's face it, not one of our players shone under Murray, so perhaps should not be prematurely judged on their showings while he was the manager (albeit I'm not suggesting that they should be absolved of all responsibility). I would be fine with Shankland staying on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shnkland has woeful awareness and positioning sense, Someone needs to coach him on this if he is to have a hope of netting double figures in a season. In all the games I have seen him play, when a ball comes into the box from open play he seems to be always two yards away from connecting/collecting it. Its not a fitness thing, its a game head he needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Shnkland has woeful awareness and positioning sense, Someone needs to coach him on this if he is to have a hope of netting double figures in a season. We're in January and he's scored five while being in and out of a very poor team - it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could score another five. Edit: Soccerbase says that's five in ten starts, plus four sub appearances. One goal every other start isn't bad, no matter which way you cut it. Edited January 7, 2016 by Magic Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal89 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Shnkland has woeful awareness and positioning sense, Someone needs to coach him on this if he is to have a hope of netting double figures in a season. In all the games I have seen him play, when a ball comes into the box from open play he seems to be always two yards away from connecting/collecting it. Its not a fitness thing, its a game head he needs. Woeful positional sense, is that what he displayed last week at cappielow?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeBud Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 We're in January and he's scored five while being in and out of a very poor team - it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could score another five. Edit: Soccerbase says that's five in ten starts, plus four sub appearances. One goal every other start isn't bad, no matter which way you cut it. Also 11 in 33 games for Queens Park (as a 17/18 year old) and 7 in 13 games for Dunfermline..........for a young lad he certainly knows his way to goals!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Woeful positional sense, is that what he displayed last week at cappielow?? Saw his goal at Cappielow and even Usain Bolt would have struggled to get out of position in time to miss the opportunity! It fell right for him, but far too many times in the game he picked the wrong positional run/space when we were on the attack leaving McMullen and the midfielders no one to slide a quick ball or cross to. That is where we failed to kill the game off, and Morton came back into it. I think he has "it" but he needs the guile to get the most out of "it"... Like a certain, Jet-Blackhaired teamate in his heyday. Like I said he needs to be "coached/mentored" by someone who did it instinctively.... Do we have any players on the books with thzt pedigree... Hint, hint! I do also believe he will benefit immensly when Goodwin and whoever is signed in midfield come in. At present Agnew is feckin incapable of distributing the ball forwards, Mallan has good and not so good games, Carswell trudges on. With one or two genuine defensive/holding midfielders Mallan would be freed up to push on, McMullan wouldnt have to collect deep so often, and you could pair Shankland with Thommo as the latter wouldnt be required to run till his arse was gasping for breath in an organised attack minded side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leolovesstmfc Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I hate playing with one striker! I think Shankland and Thompson upfront is worth a try! I really don't get why we go with one upfront and thought we would change when Rae came in hopefully we sign another striker who can play a bit deeper. I don't get playing one upfront when Scott Agnew does nothing surely better having two strikers on than a passenger midfeilder who is finds it impossible to find a Striker as he can't pass a ball forward! Wee need another striker and we need rid of Gow and McGrath! Being honest the best fit would be Billy Mehmet a striker that plays deeper and has experience BUT only if affordable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would sell Shull's taxi to help get Mehmet back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would sell Shull's taxi to help get Mehmet back With 213000 on the Clock that wid cover a day's wages for Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal89 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Saw his goal at Cappielow and even Usain Bolt would have struggled to get out of position in time to miss the opportunity! It fell right for him, but far too many times in the game he picked the wrong positional run/space when we were on the attack leaving McMullen and the midfielders no one to slide a quick ball or cross to. That is where we failed to kill the game off, and Morton came back into it. I think he has "it" but he needs the guile to get the most out of "it"... Like a certain, Jet-Blackhaired teamate in his heyday. Like I said he needs to be "coached/mentored" by someone who did it instinctively.... Do we have any players on the books with thzt pedigree... Hint, hint!. I disagree I don't think positional sense can be coached a player either has it or they don't. He scored against Morton and against Dumbarton iirc where he latched on to a bad back pass, therefore I think he has it, he also looks to be fairly composed in front of goal. But as you allude it's all about opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I hate playing with one striker! I think Shankland and Thompson upfront is worth a try! I really don't get why we go with one upfront and thought we would change when Rae came in hopefully we sign another striker who can play a bit deeper. I don't get playing one upfront when Scott Agnew does nothing surely better having two strikers on than a passenger midfeilder who is finds it impossible to find a Striker as he can't pass a ball forward! Wee need another striker and we need rid of Gow and McGrath! Being honest the best fit would be Billy Mehmet a striker that plays deeper and has experience BUT only if affordable! Why the hate for McGrath? He plays for our U/20s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 But as you allude it's all about opinions Absolutely , especially at our club. I learned that early when I saw Ally McLeod subbed and booed off at LS shortly before he was transferred , and he scored 62 goals in 90 games for us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Absolutely , especially at our club. I learned that early when I saw Ally McLeod subbed and booed off at LS shortly before he was transferred , and he scored 62 goals in 90 games for us ! Too many of our support love the headless chickens who look busy and put in a shift Shankland will score if he gets a supply He has scored from scraps so far It's our midfield that's the biggest problem at the club and needs sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 With 213000 on the Clock that wid cover a day's wages for Billy. Aye, but when a taxi driver sells his motor it somehow has only 40K on the clock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) I hate playing with one striker! I think Shankland and Thompson upfront is worth a try! I really don't get why we go with one upfront and thought we would change when Rae came in hopefully we sign another striker who can play a bit deeper. I don't get playing one upfront when Scott Agnew does nothing surely better having two strikers on than a passenger midfeilder who is finds it impossible to find a Striker as he can't pass a ball forward! Wee need another striker and we need rid of Gow and McGrath! Being honest the best fit would be Billy Mehmet a striker that plays deeper and has experience BUT only if affordable! We played 4-4-2 in Rae's first two games, an after getting scudded by Livi, we switched to 4-2-3-1 against Morton. I think this was to make us compact and solid, and to give us a stricter shape. Even though we were still murder, it's the first time I've seen the team stick to a formation rigidly, and they actually looked like they knew where they were meant to be positionally. The one up front system was more of a reaction to the Livi game than anything else.We'll probably keep playing this way until Rae trusts the players to defend as a team and keep a shape consistently. It's a wise move, in theory. Then we can start to play with a bit more freedom. Edited January 7, 2016 by ulysses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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