Livingston v St Mirren League Cup Semi Final 24/1/21

[turrabuddie 1,713]

The message we gave to our players and theirs with the line up was that we were scared of them ,hasn't changed

Exactly. JG selection and formation squarely to blame for this defeat.
No doubt he had the players fearing Livi in the same way he has us prepared for matches against the OF.

At least there’s the 2nd half of Man U v LPool to cheer me up.

Will take the flags down later ...

[antrin 5,044]

4 minutes ago, W6Saint said:

I have no doubt Goodwin will be in the press afterwards giving the usual Bafta-worthy performance but the blame is on him for this one.

All eyes on him now in a big few weeks, just as far away from relegation as we are top 6... interesting times ahead

I'm starting to worry that Saints have left it to late to overtake sevco and steal the league...

2 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Didn't see a foot clip was looking to see if he was pulled back which he definitely wasnt.

I thought the undersole of his boot WAS clipped, but no deliberation in there - just 2 players inhabiting the same wee space, going for the same ball.

[BuddieinEK 9,005]

Congratulations Livi.

No excuses. They deserved the win.

Saints started too defensively and gave Livi too much respect for far too long when in a semi final they should have gone for the jugular.

Livi bossed the first half and deserved their lead.

We left the changes far too late, and when we did remember how to attack, Livi defended as if their lives depended upon it.

They fought for one another, gave their all and deserve their place in.the cup final.

Would have been my wee Mums birthday today.

I had hoped to dedicate a win to her memory.

Just wasn't to be.

Well played Livi.

[oaksoft 13,685]

6 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:

 

I wouldn’t mind seeing that again, but from the replay it looked like Obika had his foot clipped............or maybe I need new specs.

 

Yeah that's what I thought too.

There wasn't much to it but when a player is running like that it only takes a small bit of contact.

Penalty for me.

[faraway saint 31,090]

3 minutes ago, Micky said:

Dreadful negative team selection, dreadful hit n hope tactics, dreadful defending and ‘too little too late’ subs.

One of the most pitiful semi final ‘performances’ I can remember from any side. Felt we were always going to lose from the second minute onwards.  Jim deserves all the stick he will undoubtedly get for this. 

He’d better shake this safety first bullshit. The month of January has been a disgrace. If we don’t reverse our fortunes sharpish we can easily get sucked back into the mire. Long gone are those performances against Aberdeen when we actually started to look like a good team.
 

Don't forget we also played really well, and beat, Rangers BUT that's exactly what I'd been saying over the last couple of days, we've been dreadful recently, getting massive amounts of luck but are back to where we were before the small run of form we had against Aberdeen & Rangers,

[[email protected] 75]

No point replying faraway. Had you on ignore for weeks. 🤣

[spankin_panda 805]

1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

Yeah that's what I thought too.

There wasn't much to it but when a player is running like that it only takes a small bit of contact.

Penalty for me.

I agree. It was a pen. 

[TPAFKA Jersey 2 4,345]

When are folk going to learn with this “we were better in the second half” pish. 
We weren’t. We were just as shite in the second half. Livingston did what other teams have done. Got ahead and second half just gave us the ball to play with, safe in the knowledge we are totally toothless. Creates the illusion of us being better, but we were still shite. 
We were absolutely hopeless from start to finish and I’m happy to lay a large slice (not all) of the blame at Goodwin’s door.

As an aside, Martindale seems like a right good we c**t. 

[oaksoft 13,685]

Just now, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

When are folk going to learn with this “we were better in the second half” pish. 
We weren’t. We were just as shite in the second half.

Well, we clearly weren't. It's all about opinions but to say that is ridiculous.

[portmahomack saint 1,662]

Totally down to Jim Goodwin who's negativity again put the team on the back foot right from the start,  and then perseveres with Mason when everyone could see he looked like a wee boy lost and offered absolutely nothing the whole game. 

And why did McAllister not shoot 

[lenziebud 1,222]

100% down to Jim Goodwin

Tactical and selection shamble from start to finish.

 

[TPAFKA Jersey 2 4,345]

1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

Well, we clearly weren't. It's all about opinions but to say that is ridiculous.

Correct Oaky. All about opinions. You’ve got yours and I’ve got mine. Only difference between the two is that mine is right and yours is wrong. 😘

[Sonny 9,261]

Six weeks ago we attacked teams from the start and played a pressing game when we lost the ball. We won most second balls. That got us success. Today we start with two left backs when we had a good left winger on the bench and sit back with Ethan and Cammy sitting in from of the back four leaving acres of space in front and the forwards isolated. Why Jim?

[faraway saint 31,090]

4 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

When are folk going to learn with this “we were better in the second half” pish. 
We weren’t. We were just as shite in the second half. Livingston did what other teams have done. Got ahead and second half just gave us the ball to play with, safe in the knowledge we are totally toothless. Creates the illusion of us being better, but we were still shite. 
We were absolutely hopeless from start to finish and I’m happy to lay a large slice (not all) of the blame at Goodwin’s door.

As an aside, Martindale seems like a right good we c**t. 

It sums us up when the cries of penalties for us are all we've got.

Negative set up, little class in midfield, up front...........................well, our goal scoring record says it all. 

[oaksoft 13,685]

Just now, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

Correct Oaky. All about opinions. You’ve got yours and I’ve got mine. Only difference between the two is that mine is right and yours is wrong. 😘

Aye OK. 🤣

On the positive side, at least we're not having to face a two hour commute back home again after the game.

Time to move on to Wednesday. All in all, we've had a good run in this Cup but we need to get the league sorted now.

[faraway saint 31,090]

1 minute ago, Sonny said:

Six weeks ago we attacked teams from the start and played a pressing game when we lost the ball. We won most second balls. That got us success. Today we start with two left backs when we had a good left winger on the bench and sit back with Ethan and Cammy sitting in from of the back four leaving acres of space in front and the forwards isolated. Why Jim?

100%, we got what we deserved then and we're getting what we deserve now. 

[saint in exile 2,276]

14 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Two stonewall penalties denied.

not penalties, never mind stonewallers

Tait was our best player IMO 

though Tait's control was pretty poor

The back 4 all played very well actually after a shaky start.

and then proceeded to hump the ball up the park - no composure

 

[lenziebud 1,222]

1 minute ago, Sonny said:

Six weeks ago we attacked teams from the start and played a pressing game when we lost the ball. We won most second balls. That got us success. Today we start with two left backs when we had a good left winger on the bench and sit back with Ethan and Cammy sitting in from of the back four leaving acres of space in front and the forwards isolated. Why Jim?

Because he showed his limitations as a manager today. 

Don't think he's going to top level. Good media performer but getting found out.

[bazil85 3,313]

Shocking performance start to finish. There is no excusing the complete lack of commitment to win that match today and the fringe players must be given a chance now.

No pass marks for any outfield player and Goodwin did not change it quick enough. Next week I would be playing Flynn & Foley as an absolute minimum, probably others that deserve more of a chance than the players today, they let themselves and the club down badly. I can defend an off game or a poor performance, I can't defend a lack of effort and that's exactly what I seen today.  

 

 

[oaksoft 13,685]

Right, it looks like people want to spend the evening wallowing in self pity so I'm out.

Enjoy your evening chaps.

[God of war 186]

Goodwin set-up with negative tactics, doesn't believe in players or himself. Set-up not to lose game, never tried to win it...needs to have a long hard look at himself...

[God of war 186]

3 minutes ago, Sonny said:

Six weeks ago we attacked teams from the start and played a pressing game when we lost the ball. We won most second balls. That got us success. Today we start with two left backs when we had a good left winger on the bench and sit back with Ethan and Cammy sitting in from of the back four leaving acres of space in front and the forwards isolated. Why Jim?

Erahon is fecking honking, offers feck all...

[lenziebud 1,222]

Just now, bazil85 said:

Shocking performance start to finish. There is no excusing the complete lack of commitment to win that match today and the fringe players must be given a chance now.

No pass marks for any outfield player and Goodwin did not change it quick enough. Next week I would be playing Flynn & Foley as an absolute minimum, probably others that deserve more of a chance than the players today, they let themselves and the club down badly. I can defend an off game or a poor performance, I can't defend a lack of effort and that's exactly what I seen today.  

 

 

What are you talking about lack of effort. They gave 100% but the tactics and selection were a disgrace.

[saint in exile 2,276]

1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

Right, it looks like people want to spend the evening wallowing in self pity so I'm out.

Enjoy your evening chaps.

What, are we not allowed to be disappointed in that performance?

[Desperately Seeking Susans 1,480]

Dare I say but there was only one person to blame and that was Goodwin.  

Mason, Macpherson and Erhahon are, for a semi, too young and light-weight given the physique of the Livingston squad and it proved to be a total disaster.

The squad in the second half came near to what it should have been in the first half.  

The whole town is in depression now.  Very disappointing especially when we had the ability to do much better had the team selection reflected common sense.