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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Wouldn't be surprised if Kenny was out of a job by the end of the week. ROI are all but out of a chance of qualifying through the group, can be made mathematical in the next game. That'll teach him for not playing their best player. :P 

Neil Lennon being touted for the job this morning 🇮🇪

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On 9/5/2021 at 11:20 AM, faraway saint said:

What, exactly, do yo suggest we do to stop Hibs, or any other clubs, cherry pick our plyers?

It's not rocket science, Hibs, and plenty other clubs, have more resources and, as such, will be able to offer our players better conditions/prospects and salaries. 

This fixation on Ross is very amusing. 

As for what Tony says......................you'd need to be a fool to pay any attention to him. 

What a defeatist attitude to have  :booty ,  If our players are under contract we could easily say pay up plenty or go [email protected]@k yourself and take the hit, Maybe then we'll start getting a better deal for our players like other clubs do,  

The club are always telling us they run a tight budget and have no debt. so we don't have to sell the minute someone chaps the door. especially to clubs like Hibs, our attendances will start suffer if we don't grow a pair soon, and so will our league position 

We let Jack Ross take 2 players from us still under contract for virtually nothing while we where fighting to stay in the league FFS. where else would that happen

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18 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

What a defeatist attitude to have  :booty ,  If our players are under contract we could easily say pay up plenty or go [email protected]@k yourself and take the hit, Maybe then we'll start getting a better deal for our players like other clubs do,  

The club are always telling us they run a tight budget and have no debt. so we don't have to sell the minute someone chaps the door. especially to clubs like Hibs, our attendances will start suffer if we don't grow a pair soon, and so will our league position 

We let Jack Ross take 2 players from us still under contract for virtually nothing while we where fighting to stay in the league FFS. where else would that happen

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1 hour ago, portmahomack saint said:

What a defeatist attitude to have  :booty ,  If our players are under contract we could easily say pay up plenty or go [email protected]@k yourself and take the hit, Maybe then we'll start getting a better deal for our players like other clubs do,  

The club are always telling us they run a tight budget and have no debt. so we don't have to sell the minute someone chaps the door. especially to clubs like Hibs, our attendances will start suffer if we don't grow a pair soon, and so will our league position 

We let Jack Ross take 2 players from us still under contract for virtually nothing while we where fighting to stay in the league FFS. where else would that happen

Once the players heard of the interest (and increase in wages) from Hibs through their agents they asked to leave. Always a difficult situation to manage. Do you hold onto a player who is clearly itching for a move or do you take what’s on offer.

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3 hours ago, linwood buddie said:

Jamie starts for Ireland v Serbia.

Good to see he played the full 90mins. I have no idea how he played as I was watching the game in Vienna. Hopefully he played well and some bigger teams than Hibs make a decent cash offer in January, as I think we can concede the player won’t be with St Mirren next season.

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6 hours ago, Slash said:

Good to see he played the full 90mins. I have no idea how he played as I was watching the game in Vienna. Hopefully he played well and some bigger teams than Hibs make a decent cash offer in January, as I think we can concede the player won’t be with St Mirren next season.

Got hooked in 68th minute as he was honking!

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17 hours ago, Slash said:

Good to see he played the full 90mins. I have no idea how he played as I was watching the game in Vienna. Hopefully he played well and some bigger teams than Hibs make a decent cash offer in January, as I think we can concede the player won’t be with St Mirren next season.

He had a pretty quiet game on the ball. Didn't deliver well from the few dead ball opportunities he had. He got scythed down when breaking through but that was really the only positive impact he had. Worked very hard and chased down the opposition well, though.

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On 9/6/2021 at 5:13 PM, Slash said:

Once the players heard of the interest (and increase in wages) from Hibs through their agents they asked to leave. Always a difficult situation to manage. Do you hold onto a player who is clearly itching for a move or do you take what’s on offer.

Simply put. The guys are professional and follow the money. 

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27 minutes ago, Rascal said:

Simply put. The guys are professional and follow the money. 

Just like any career. It’s not just money. Moving to a bigger club there are greater chances to win trophies and international recognition.

Ideally between now and January McGrath kicks on and improves our team as we hopefully March up the table. That way a number of clubs may choose to make us an offer that all parties agree to. 

It would appear that he was on his way out the door, but last minute problems caused the deal to collapse.

Our priority as a club is to continue to unearth talent from the Youth Academy. By all accounts we have a good few who may go on to have great careers in the game.

If along the way we can pick up talent like McGrath and sell on that is a good business practice. 

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There will be top end Championship clubs in England desperate to sign McGrath.  We could get quite a decent fee for him , certainly more than what was offered last transfer window . As soon as a club signs him and puts him on a three year contract his value will be £3 million as a current Irish International.  Should the team get promoted that value would triple . Look out for Celtic offering sweeties .

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21 minutes ago, MenstrieSaint said:

There will be top end Championship clubs in England desperate to sign McGrath.  We could get quite a decent fee for him , certainly more than what was offered last transfer window . As soon as a club signs him and puts him on a three year contract his value will be £3 million as a current Irish International.  Should the team get promoted that value would triple . Look out for Celtic offering sweeties .

Or perhaps he stays until the end of the season and signs a PCA in January which will be worth more to him and his agent.

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3 hours ago, Slash said:

Or perhaps he stays until the end of the season and signs a PCA in January which will be worth more to him and his agent.

I would agree that the best possible outcome would be a PCA and we keep hold of him to end of season giving us time to source a replacement. What I would rather hope we didn't do is accept a shocking low bid at last minute like the hibs one. However given the recent debacle over the rangers ticket allocation(another thread i know!) I wouldn't be shocked by whatever club does.

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20 minutes ago, Cumbriansaint72 said:

I would agree that the best possible outcome would be a PCA and we keep hold of him to end of season giving us time to source a replacement. What I would rather hope we didn't do is accept a shocking low bid at last minute like the hibs one. However given the recent debacle over the rangers ticket allocation(another thread i know!) I wouldn't be shocked by whatever club does.

I think a lot will depend on where we are at that point of the season. If we are fighting for top 6 or a relegation dog fight, can see us keeping him.
 

If we are comfortably 7th -8th with little chance of going down or cracking the top end, may think to cash in during January & strengthen for next season. (I know none of that is guaranteed regarding where we’ll finish, I’m talking in risk acceptance terms) 

Doubt we’d get anymore than £100k-£200k for him if he went though. Still possibly a couple of players at our level.

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8 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

I think a lot will depend on where we are at that point of the season. If we are fighting for top 6 or a relegation dog fight, can see us keeping him.
 

If we are comfortably 7th -8th with little chance of going down or cracking the top end, may think to cash in during January & strengthen for next season. (I know none of that is guaranteed regarding where we’ll finish, I’m talking in risk acceptance terms) 

Doubt we’d get anymore than £100k-£200k for him if he went though. Still possibly a couple of players at our level.

I think it all depends if we can start again in the same form as up to the split then top 6. Hopefully then it will really get the McGrath debate going.

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15 hours ago, Slash said:

Or perhaps he stays until the end of the season and signs a PCA in January which will be worth more to him and his agent.

I think there will be teams wanting McGrath this season to help their push for promotion.  Some teams will probably be touching base just now to try and get a deal done early.  There will be lots of scouts watching McGrath in the next two ROI games knowing he us available relatively cheap in the next transfer window . I think we will get considerably more for him in January , than what Hibs were offering in September. 

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Good article on Jamie from the Irish section of the Times today ...

Jamie McGrath coming of age in Ireland’s new generation
Paul Rowan
Thursday October 14 2021, 12.01am, The Times

 

Such is the nature of St Mirren’s operations that their players who earn international recognition generally do so at under-age level, before their services are required elsewhere, but the Ireland international Jamie McGrath is proving an exception. McGrath picked up his fifth cap against Qatar on Tuesday night and in the aftermath inevitably faced questions about whether his future lay away from one of the less fashionable SPL clubs.

“I’m happy where I am,” McGrath replied. “I have a year left on my contract, up until next summer. So we’ll see what happens, but I love every minute there. It’s a great bunch of lads and the gaffer has been brilliant for me as well. I can’t speak highly enough of him.”

That was a reference to fellow Irishman Jim Goodwin, who signed him last year. McGrath goes back considerably further with the Ireland manager Stephen Kenny – who once managed Dunfermline and then hooked up with the attacking midfielder at Dundalk for a highly successful spell before both men moved on. McGrath’s lengthy apprenticeship in the League of Ireland and a determination to complete his business degree studies at a Dublin university means he is now regarded as coming player, even at the relatively old age of 25.

Kenny himself – who reached a Scottish Cup final in 2007 with Dunfermline but was relegated in the same season before being sacked – is not one to stick his nose up at players from smaller clubs, and nor can he afford to either. Whereas Ireland once was able to boast of a number of Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal players capable of giving a game to some of the best teams in Europe, now more ingenuity is required and McGrath hasn’t looked out of place so far.

“I don’t think Stephen Kenny cares who you play for,” McGrath says, “As long as you are doing well he will give you a chance. During the last lockdown I put a lot of hard work in. I came home for about three months and worked my socks off. It’s nice to get the rewards. Hopefully this is just the start.”

 

At one point he felt he was being left behind by some of his peers, but what McGrath has had at clubs he has played for is plenty of game time and along with that has come a plethora of goals, including 17 in 46 appearances for St Mirren last season. He hasn’t been quite so prolific so far in this one for his club, but for Ireland he has already contributed with an assist against Portugal last month and won the penalty on Tuesday that was converted by Callum Robinson, even though McGrath is the regular spot kick-taker for his club.

“I had a brief discussion with Callum, but he was on a mission so I didn’t want to stop him,” McGrath said as his team-mate went on to score a hat-trick, his fifth goal in three days for his country. Playing in a wide position rather than the central role for his club, McGrath also played a part in the neat build-up for Robinson’s first goal

“I’m not playing as an out-and-out winger, so that suits me as well. I have the freedom to come in and join in if I want. I really enjoy that position.”

McGrath is already proving a firm favourite back in Ireland, blessed with boy-next-door charm and genuine humility, which probably comes partly from growing up in rural Co Meath. From Lansdowne Road, McGrath heads to Ross County on Saturday, with St Mirren on a run of five games unbeaten. On a previous weekend, McGrath entertained a handful of Ireland fans he met on the plane coming to Glasgow for a music festival after the September international window. He showed them some of his favourite spots in Glasgow after they had been reacquainted watching Snow Patrol. Just another face in the crowd, but perhaps not for long.

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