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Irrespective of the final outcome of this fiasco, we can only hope this does not interrupt the current momentum of the team.

It is significant also that 3 of the front runners for the Aberdeen job have strong St Mirren connections.

We must be doing something right - other than holding on to our managers!

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5 minutes ago, LargsBud said:

I hope we can match whatever Aberdeen are going to offer him financially. 

In terms of playing budget he'd have at his disposal thats obviously impossible, but I'd like to think we could push the boat out and at least match the personal terms. 

There’s absolutely no chance we can match what they will pay a manager. 
 

We should think smart on what bonuses we can offer.  If each league position is worth £80k from memory, why don’t we offer £8-10k for 6th place and the same again for every place above. That gives a realistic, achievable incentive of £24-30k to go after between now and the end of season. Chuck in another £10k for delivering European football. 

 

That would test his ambition.

 

If he could do achieve that then he would be the best performing Saints manager since the early 80’s. 

 

Incidentally, if (and I don’t expect it to happen) we win against Livi and Dundee in the next 2 games - Goodwin would have us going into the Hearts home game with an opportunity close the gap to 3rd to 5 points at most. Possibly less if Hearts don’t beat St.Johnstone at the weekend.

St. Mirren have backed him. He now has the opportunity to do something really special - and to rectify the disappointment of the 2 lost semi finals and missed top 6 last year. Question is will he back himself to do that. 

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7 minutes ago, LargsBud said:

I read somewhere a while ago that Glass was on 500k (don't know if its true or not)

Goodwin is on around 350-400k so not a million miles off.

More like 400k over the length of the three and a half year deal he signed.

If he was on 400k a year we'd be looking at the ballpark of £1m in compensation from Aberdeen. 

£250k basically gives away what he's on with us. £250k over the next two and a bit years puts him squarely in the ballpark of being paid £2k a week as manager. He'll jump onto £6k per week at Aberdeen, several times what he ever made as a player, without even negotiating hard.

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4 minutes ago, Maboza said:

There’s absolutely no chance we can match what they will pay a manager. 
 

We should think smart on what bonuses we can offer.  If each league position is worth £80k from memory, why don’t we offer £8-10k for 6th place and the same again for every place above. That gives a realistic, achievable incentive of £24-30k to go after between now and the end of season. Chuck in another £10k for delivering European football. 

 

That would test his ambition.

 

If he could do achieve that then he would be the best performing Saints manager since the early 80’s. 

 

Incidentally, if (and I don’t expect it to happen) we win against Livi and Dundee in the next 2 games - Goodwin would have us going into the Hearts home game with an opportunity close the gap to 3rd to 5 points at most. Possibly less if Hearts don’t beat St.Johnstone at the weekend.

St. Mirren have backed him. He now has the opportunity to do something really special - and to rectify the disappointment of the 2 lost semi finals and missed top 6 last year. Question is will he back himself to do that. 

Nope he will be off like a shot.and our season will go down the pan starting on Saturday.

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2 minutes ago, elvis said:

Nope he will be off like a shot.and our season will go down the pan starting on Saturday.

You constantly thought our season was going down the pan even with him as manager. What will it take for you to actually show a bit of optimism for once?

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34 minutes ago, JJ McG said:

Goodwin isn’t on anywhere near that, you’re miles off.

I’d reckon Jim could be on 100k. I remember in 2010 Gus being on more can you believe. I’d be surprised if Glass was on anything near 500k tho. I’d think he might have been around 175/200 k ? 

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It’s a funny old game fitba/fitba management.

In almost every other job that you or I might do, if you were going for another interview, your employer and your staff wouldn’t know about it until after you’d accepted the other job. That’s generally because you know you’d be tainted in the eyes of your employer if you didn’t get the other job and had to come back with your tail between your legs. 
For me if JG goes for the job, I hope for his sake he gets it because I reckon at least 50% of the support will have it in for him if he doesn’t. 
Fingers crossed he just comes out and says he’s not interested but I cannae see it. 
 

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He will be off if offered the job
That's what annoys me. We are doing well.

Aberdeen are out the Scottish cup, we are not.

They have been f**king dire and their defence and their keeper are f**king terrible.

Though having like the 3rd highest budget in the league and looking to come at least 3rd and win cups, they are below us.

He would be best to wait. Get us to our highest finish in the premiership and become more of a club legend.

If you don't build an entertaining team there, they will be at you. If you don't progress in the cups, they will be at you. If you don't finish 3rd, they will be at you.

How long has McInnes been without a job? They pay that much that you can sit that long without a job when sacked in a year's time for not delivering all that for them.

Or is it best to let him go and destroy them from the inside as with a bigger and better budget, do you think he will try that 3 at the back pish for them to send them down ?

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5 minutes ago, Mainstand Sweary Mob said:

That's what annoys me. We are doing well.

Aberdeen are out the Scottish cup, we are not.

They have been f**king dire and their defence and their keeper are f**king terrible.

Though having like the 3rd highest budget in the league and looking to come at least 3rd and win cups, they are below us.

He would be best to wait. Get us to our highest finish in the premiership and become more of a club legend.

If you don't build an entertaining team there, they will be at you. If you don't progress in the cups, they will be at you. If you don't finish 3rd, they will be at you.

How long has McInnes been without a job? They pay that much that you can sit that long without a job when sacked in a year's time for not delivering all that for them.

Or is it best to let him go and destroy them from the inside as with a bigger and better budget, do you think he will try that 3 at the back pish for them to send them down ? emoji1787.png

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Whoever takes on the Aberdeen job has a potential avoid relegation job on their hands this season. and build for next season if that's avoided (never went well for killie).
It's never an overnight job to turn a clubs fortunes.

Money does speak, though I'd like to think what you have referenced is enough for Jim to hold out for better success with us this season, raising his stock at the end of the season. A strong finish may even make him consider staying a little longer.

Jack Ross left early, though as the same with Jim, there was an opportunity to make life changing money. The difference from my opinion, is the size of a club Sunderland are, tripling his wages and with the potential to take the club to the English Championship. It really was too good an offer to turn down, considering they were an EPL team only 2-3 years previously.

Our clubs ambitions match Jims and at times, we may not be able to stretch further in our budget, I think he has been given great resources to build the squad he has ended up with this season.

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9 hours ago, LargsBud said:

I read somewhere a while ago that Glass was on 500k (don't know if its true or not)

Goodwin is on around 350-400k so not a million miles off.

McInnes was certainly on that type of salary, though I'm sure (only my thoughts) that he would have been easier to negotiate a lesser contract, due to it being his first proper managerial position.

As mentioned elsewhere, the figures you have quoted are more that of his earnings throughout the length of his contract rather than per season.

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3 minutes ago, kevo_smfc said:

Whoever takes on the Aberdeen job has a potential avoid relegation job on their hands this season. and build for next season if that's avoided (never went well for killie).
It's never an overnight job to turn a clubs fortunes.in our budget, I think he has been given great resources to build the squad he has ended up with this season.

These comments suggests that the Aiberdeen job would be perfectly suited to anyBuddie who has experienced St Mirren’s recent decades.  
 

Great selling job, kevo! :)

 

The most telling aspect of this wee stramash is the amount of rationality and practical sense is now being registered about Jack Ross’s decision to take the money and run.  I found it hard to understand the venom spouted at a manager who’d done such a good Buddie job, just because he accepted the logical reward offered him.

I, too, would happily have him back as manager.

… and I’m sure I’d not be the only one to expect any StMirren manager to eventually leave in search of securing a financial future.

(unless it was Stubbso.)

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Guy over on P/B saying it sounds like Cormack has already spoken to Goodwin and has decided not to pursue it says looks like Goodwin head been turned and is probably looking for gig down south. Probably a lot of shite and will roll out at pittodrie today.

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Jim's standing as one of the best young managers in Scotland has only been enhanced by our recent excellent run of form.

He's ambitious and, in football management, timing is everything.

If he goes good luck to him.

As many have already mentioned he'll get very little time to sort out the mess at Aberdeen and if he doesn't he could well be on the managerial scrapheap in 12 months.

As for us, HUGE focus on the Board to get the compo sorted and get a successor in who won't totally f**k up the SMFC 2022 juggernaut.


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My take on this. Dons can offer  around two to three times his current salary. A no brainier for a man with a family. Added to this….they will IMO escape relegation. They will return to being a top three or four club which reaches cup semis and finals and Europe. From there Jim could step up to a job in England or perhaps in time Celtic. Then again he could stay with the best team in Scotland and cement his status as a club legend before moving to England. 

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25 minutes ago, magnus said:

More's the pity. I think he would have been good for us.

He’s on a rolling contract at Killie and he will have a release clause, if we get money in for Goodwin that’s what I would be doing.

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There won't be many on this forum who (if they were truthful) wouldn't take the opportunity if it was offered to them.

Just imagine you are very good at your job in a fairly small and tightly run company and as a company you punch above your weight. You moved to this job as you had done this before at a really small company and you took them to standards that they hadn't seen for a long time.

So you work hard for your employers you get pretty well remunerated (probably the same as a consultant surgeon at the top of their trade [who train something like 16 years to get to that level]!), and you know that if you continue doing this, there is nowhere really that the company can go - they are constrained by the market that they operate in!

So now apply this logic to JG. He brought Alloa on, he got poached by us, he has brought us on and he knows he is probably close to the point where he can't take us much further, so what's his ambition, obviously to be as good as he can in his chosen precarious profession.

I would take it and I'm a died in the wool Saint's man, Aberdeen are a good club, a great stepping stone, and if it doesn't work out then it's a financial gamble worth taking even for a short(ish) period.

On a slightly different question: Would I take JR back if he was interested(?), yes I would, as he too is a good man manager and he may have worked his ambitions out and realised that the higher you go, the more rarefied the atmosphere! 

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